Mine was t “physically” see the id I was using (my DL).
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MOSAIC LSRI course completed
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None@torquen did you have to attach any documents to the request?
And do I request Oda, Designee, or None?
Also do I need a recommendation letter from Franz Kafka?
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I left mine blank
I wrote in the most current FAA biweekly but I don’t think they care
Perhaps this is why the FSDO is ghosting me after acknowledging receipt of my application two weeks ago. No response to follow-up emails.
Dragging out an absurdly overcomplicated process that isn’t actually necessary = peak bureaucracy.
Tampa FSDO wanted "wet ink" signature and inspector also wanted to see my ID (DL).
I signed the application and also had me sign the temporary Repairman Cert and then he signed it (multiple copies).
Ideas ?
I submited my application for my ammended operating limitations through the AWC to the DEN FSDO. The inspector was very prompt issuing my "new" operating limitations. Unfortunatly, he did not just ammend my old operating imitations, he issued new ones. The new ones were for an experimental exibition aircraft. As you would expect, they are much more restrictive than the original operating limitations. Including the requirment for a program letter.
I called the inspector today and he said that is what the AWC issued to him. He said the old operating limitations have to be ammended to conform to the current FAA regs. I said all I wanted him to ammend was the ability for a light sport reapirman to do the condition inspection. He didnt seem to understand the EAB world. I dont even think it's leagle to fly the aircraft under the new limitations since I do not have aprogram letter with the DEN FSDO. I think at this point I should just hire a DAR to do the paperwork properly, thoughts from the group ?
I submited my application for my ammended operating limitations through the AWC to the DEN FSDO. The inspector was very prompt issuing my "new" operating limitations. Unfortunatly, he did not just ammend my old operating imitations, he issued new ones. The new ones were for an experimental exibition aircraft. As you would expect, they are much more restrictive than the original operating limitations. Including the requirment for a program letter.
I called the inspector today and he said that is what the AWC issued to him. He said the old operating limitations have to be ammended to conform to the current FAA regs. I said all I wanted him to ammend was the ability for a light sport reapirman to do the condition inspection. He didnt seem to understand the EAB world. I dont even think it's leagle to fly the aircraft under the new limitations since I do not have aprogram letter with the DEN FSDO. I think at this point I should just hire a DAR to do the paperwork properly, thoughts from the group ?
Amended always gets you the latest version of Op Lims. Always has. One cannot "pick & choose" what op lims they want changed.
The "exhibition" part is in error! You don't want that. No program letter required for E-AB.
I just received the following from the FSDO.
I have attached a reference copy of 8130.2L table B-2. I will need you to send me your program letter so I can upload it in the application. You should have the original, it needs to c/w CFR21.193 and include the drawings or photos. This follows 8130.2L Section 2. I will upload a copy of your 8130-7 and do an 8100-1 and attach it to the application. Sorry for this taking so long.
I am not the original builder and don’t have the program letter. I’m sure I’m not alone with this delima. What can I do?
I have attached a reference copy of 8130.2L table B-2. I will need you to send me your program letter so I can upload it in the application. You should have the original, it needs to c/w CFR21.193 and include the drawings or photos. This follows 8130.2L Section 2. I will upload a copy of your 8130-7 and do an 8100-1 and attach it to the application. Sorry for this taking so long.
I am not the original builder and don’t have the program letter. I’m sure I’m not alone with this delima. What can I do?
my AWC application sits in the portal in the Open state since the first week of Feb. The inspector i was working with before says “it was not assigned to him” and he has no further info. When the AWC eventually does come through it sounds like it could be for a warbird or an exhibition aircraft or a helicopter. I must disagree with Dugaru’s Ukrainian friend who thinks we ain’t seen nothing yet compared to the Soviet’s bureaucracy. I think wet are going to surpass it!
I applied through the AWC portal several weeks ago.
I called the FSDO at that time and they told me to send them an email about the application, so their system would be prompted to assign an inspector.
I did so. When nothing happened, I sent an email asking if they needed further documentation.
Yesterday I received an email asking me to “Please make application for an amended certificate within AWC.” The first email in that thread, appearing at the bottom of the one I received yesterday, was from me to the FAA, and it stated “I’ve applied for an amended airworthiness certificate for my aircraft through the AWC portal online.”
OMG. A bureaucratic shuffle that in most cases was totally unnecessary has now basically rendered your aircraft illegal to fly. I confess even I didn’t think things would get this bad this fast.
Please call me at 210-867-5174. I too am work8ng with SAT FSDO and having issues.
I just got informed while signing ny temp LSRI-A to use "Recurrent" not Ammended in AWC.
Post in thread 'MOSAIC LSRI course completed' https://vansairforce.net/threads/mosaic-lsri-course-completed.240722/post-1909193
Post in thread 'MOSAIC LSRI course completed' https://vansairforce.net/threads/mosaic-lsri-course-completed.240722/post-1909193
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See Mel's post-
Post in thread 'MOSAIC LSRI course completed' https://vansairforce.net/threads/mosaic-lsri-course-completed.240722/post-1909178
Post in thread 'MOSAIC LSRI course completed' https://vansairforce.net/threads/mosaic-lsri-course-completed.240722/post-1909178
It's absolutely an amended certificate, that's the first thing you have to select to start the whole process in the AWC Portal. Later in the submission is where you select either Recurrent or original certificate in the owner certification section.
Typed too fast, correct SATCFI- Amended at the Left most Aircraft Info Column. Recurrent in the Middle Certification Basis Owner's Certification.
Sitting at work with another individual who recently completed the LSRIA and neither of us remember going over this in the class we took.
When an IA signs off a condition inspection the sign-off typically goes:
John Wick
AP945556IA
What is the correct way to signoff with the LSRIA cert?
John Wick
9876543LSRIA?
When an IA signs off a condition inspection the sign-off typically goes:
John Wick
AP945556IA
What is the correct way to signoff with the LSRIA cert?
John Wick
9876543LSRIA?
Exactly. I am in the course now and we just went over this.
Been following this and have a comment. Did anyone get any type of response from Rainbow when they signed up for notification of the class? I tried signing up nearly as soon as the classes were listed. Have never heard anything back nor have I been able to find any classes that have openings.
Email them to get on this list. They said they notify folks as they put out more classes (which seem to not get published). I think they are at a minimum many months out, maybe a year.
I just signed up for the April Rainbow class in Buckley, WA.
Carol Carpenter is the one who does the scheduling. She was very responsive and helpful. Her email - [email protected]
I took the course first weekend in February (Rainbow). Just got the temp certificate on Friday last week. I did the Amended AWC. That process was very quick about 1 day. My cert was done in just a few days, but we did have to meet in person to sign everything. Process was very easy with the Nashville FSDO.
The amount of variation in some of this is interesting.
Friend of mine did his with the BNA FSDO and did it all over zoom.
I had to drive 5 hours round trip, sit in office for 3 hours to get a 1 page form signed, and then on way home guy calls me and says he forgot
To have me sign something.
Also had to call rainbow aviation and have them email a form to him that they were an approved course.
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Yes I finally got mine in the mail yesterday after 23 January appointment. It has my pilot license number as the certificate number.
My appt was early January still don't have it
Why were they shut down?
He didn’t say and I didn’t ask. I was searching courses, figuring by now more people would have gotten in on teaching classes, and I called. Nothing against Rainbow, but for now they are the only game in town?
I don't know. I finished their course last weekend and during that time they said they were 6 months behind. I signed up in September and had to wait until last week - 5 months.
Sports Aviation Specialties is the only other one except rainbow that is listed on the FAA website for the airplane category. I know nothing about them.
howardtlcc
Well Known Member
I am signed up for the Sport Aviation class the last weekend of March.
Was told temp good 120 days, contact FSDO if not received at 110 days.
Go to the airmen cert site and search your name. If it shows there it’s enroute.
Yeah it wasn't. I contacted the FAA gentleman by email, and it seemed there was another issue with the form that he had to correct, so hopefully it is on the right path now.
As far as other classes I see people talking about. When I was in the FAA FSDO office, the guy I had doing my paperwork almost wouldn' t even process my application because I couldn't "prove" that Rainbow Aviation was approved by the FAA. Luckily after 2 hours I was able to contact Carol at Rainbow, who emailed him the form "proving" this.
I would be careful signing up for any class that doesn't have an FAA certifcation letter they can send you. I was told that Rainbow somehow got one decades ago and "slipped throught" and that no one else has one.
That’s funny because the “proof” is on the FAA’s own website on their letterhead listing the approved schools for LRSI classes.
i stayed at holiday inn warrensburg. it’s half an hour away. there are some airbnb’s closer but i didn’t bother for a two day class. Carol will probably send the list of options. There were no hotels in Kingsville that i could find.
The Heartland Lodge is less than a 10 minute drive to Rainbow. It's a wedding venue but they rent the rooms out at a very reasonable price if no wedding is going on that weekend. I stayed there in Novembers while taking the LSRI-A course.
I stayed at one of the Airbnb's listed by Carol, rate was fine and the place was nice. Lake Street BNB in Pleasant Hill has 3 different "apartment" rooms, I think I stayed in "Rebecca's Retreat."
Radioflyer
Well Known Member
As a followup to my earlier post (#193), I was finally contacted by the Boston FSDO about my LSRI request. Upon actual contact, the process was very straightforward with the 8610-3 form and finalized by a zoom meeting which resulted in issuance of the temporary (120 day) certificate.
By virtue of this active thread, I think I now can brave through the AWC process to amend my operating limitations.
By virtue of this active thread, I think I now can brave through the AWC process to amend my operating limitations.
Radioflyer
Well Known Member
Well...no luck with AWC. Under Create Application, I select "amended certificate", the registration page autofills correctly, hit save&next. Then I get an "Application Exists" message box saying ...N-number...exists in open status...select another registration instead, yes no. I select No and I am returned back to the starting page. Nothing else happens and no application numbers/links appear. I can't get beyond that sequence.
