I was about to post the same questionAny idea if this cowling will fit the RV-15 and if the inlets are big enough to support the airflow needs of the 235hp DH variant?
Don’t know. Though, I imagine it will be different. The reason is that we’re likely going with the 235hp variant for the RV15. It requires a larger turbocharger and will need a bit more cooling as well.I was about to post the same question
Who’s we? DH recommended the 200 for the 15 and that is what my deposit is on.Don’t know. Though, I imagine it will be different. The reason is that we’re likely going with the 235hp variant for the RV15. It requires a larger turbocharger and will need a bit more cooling as well.
We is collectively me, DH, and Synergy. I’m not aware that any of ‘we’ have taken a definite position just yet - but as I indicated we’re leaning towards the 235hp variant of the engine.Who’s we? DH recommended the 200 for the 15 and that is what my deposit is on.
All that makes sensor. I don’t think you’re wrong.We is collectively me, DH, and Synergy. I’m not aware that any of ‘we’ have taken a definite position just yet - but as I indicated we’re leaning towards the 235hp variant of the engine.
Up until a few days ago, I wasn’t aware DH was taking deposits for RV15 engines just yet (might have changed since then?).
That aside, let me tell you the primary reason I’m leaning to the 235hp variant.
After seeing the RV15 this year at Air Venture , I was struck with its generous overall size and especially impressively large baggage area - to my eyes it sure seems like in a pinch I could chuck a couple warm bodies or the better part of an elk back there. And, while I’m generally happy with the Io-390 on my RV14 - the baggage capacity in the 14 is nothing compared to the 15. I’d gladly have the extra HP the 235hp DeltaHawk offers in the 15 - especially on a warm day, and even more so if I have a full load.
Just me - but, to my layman’s eyes the 15 looks like it would be happy w a higher powered engine. If the only options to achieve this are moving up to a 6-cylinder Lycoming or the lighter 235hp DeltaHawk, I can see the DH being the obvious choice (not to mention the forced air induction on the DH).
I don’t imagine the cowling will be all that different than the general design for V2 of the 14 we’re currently working on. Maybe the inlets are just a bit larger.
All that said, we’re still quite a ways from making a final decision on the engine model for the 15. Heck, Vans hasn’t even shipped wing kits out yet - let alone all the other component kits. My personal guess is we’re a good two years from a flying model (hope im wrong and it’s sooner).
I was probably second!All that makes sensor. I don’t think you’re wrong.
I believe the 15 with the DH200 will perform quite closely to the 215hp 390 in the high density altitude environment it is likely to be operated in.
However, no substitute for HP!
I will be disappointed if the FWF package isn’t compatible with the DH200 as that it is what was recommended to me for the 15 by DH. It also makes sense for the 90% plus times it will be used at much less than full utility. Moose be dammed!
I do understand we are early in the game. I was one of the first to place a deposit with DH for the 15.
Keep up the good work.
I’m with Taz, who can we bump for some insight on an RV-10 fwf? When my deposit went in the -10 I think was holding a comfortable lead.@cjs do you have an insight on the development of the 235hp being offered for the RV10?
Taz-10@cjs do you have an insight on the development of the 235hp being offered for the RV10?
The 15 should be an easier project as the firewall forward is very similar to the 14.Taz-10
Here’s what I know. Currently, the RV10 is the second priority immediately behind the RV14. DH really wants to get their engines into Vans airframes and from what I’m seeing they are committing a lot of resources to make this happen.
At Synergy Air in Eugene, we already have a partially constructed RV10 just about ready for the development of the FF package for the 235hp engine.
Timing?…well, the priority is to get the V2 of the RV14 completed and flying for AirVenture 2026 (we’re on pace for this). The goal, incidentally, includes having a FF package fully ready for customers to order.
I’d guess development of the FF package on the RV10 would begin in earnest after AirVenture 2026 and would guess (emphasis on guess) there’d be a flying model ready to go at AV 2027. I think the development of the RV10 will benefit from all the work on the RV14, so it shouldn’t take as long as it has w the 14.
Then…on to the 15!
Seriously? you are planning to downgrade from a 260HP Lyc to a 235hp diesel?I appreciate the information. I'm a single digit RV10 placeholder for the DH235 and have really enjoyed watching the progress. My IO-540 should keep me going until the RV10 FWF is done.
A 260-horsepower IO-540 (without a turbo) only makes more than 235 horsepower while you're flying it below 3,000~4,000 feet MSL.you are planning to downgrade from a 260HP Lyc to a 235hp diesel?
Yep. Plenty of places here now where the Avgas/JetA spread is $1 (per L so $4/Gal) or more. That’s if the Avgas is available. That adds up pretty quick.A 260-horsepower IO-540 (without a turbo) only makes more than 235 horsepower while you're flying it below 3,000~4,000 feet MSL.
Also: Lower fuel burn means longer range / more hours between refueling.
And 100LL isn't going to be around for ever. In many places around the world, it's already borderline impractical to get avgas.
(No, I will not try to do the math for how many hours it would take for the engine to pay for itself; I realize it could be more hours than the vast majority of RVs are flown. But that's presumably not the main point for most DH folks).
Some , but not much. We’re waiting for the second DeltaHawk RV14 (V2) to fly to capture (and publish) numbers. V2 is the marketable version that will represent the package DH will be offering to builders. And, it will generate the numbers we think are relevant to those considering the DH package. It should be up flying late Spring - we’re well along on the build right now.Maybe I missed it but has the DH for the 14 performance numbers been published at 10k and above?
And if any of the candidate 100 octane replacement fuels (GAMI, Swift, etc) ever show up at your local pump, they are likely to be at least another dollar more per gallon than 100LL. So the price delta between unleaded avgas and Jet A may become significant enough to recoup the higher upfront cost of the DeltaHawk engine a lot more quickly than it looks today, and the DH equipped airplane will have higher resale value as well. Assuming of course the engine proves to be reliable and well supported by DH...Plenty of places here now where the Avgas/JetA spread is $1 (per L so $4/Gal) or more.
The RV8 - my bad, multitasking and neglected to answer this. As of now, no work is being done on the 8. That isn’t to say there will not be at some point. It’s just the 14, 10, and the 15 are the top priorities. I suspect that’ll keep DH busy for a few years.Thanks for the info about the aerobatics Craig! Any info/rumor about the RV-8 applicability and potential FWF package development? I will soon start my RV-8 build in Europe and Avgas is here very expensive, supply at risk because of regulation and autogas not available widely on airfields.
LawernceBE,The RV8 - my bad, multitasking and neglected to answer this. As of now, no work is being done on the 8. That isn’t to say there will not be at some point. It’s just the 14, 10, and the 15 are the top priorities. I suspect that’ll keep DH busy for a few years.
All good points, but there are AV 390s on -8s and several super 8s with 540s, so you would think it’s doable. You could shorten the engine mount on the -8 to pick up a little, too. Not so on the -7 as it’s already close the the FW. I have a Hartzell CS carbon prop with a PV IO 360 and battery in the lower baggage compartment on my -8, and frankly wouldn’t mind some more weight on the nose. Would love to have centerline seating and a DH!I think it will be pretty challenging from a weight perspective to install any Deltahawk engine in the RV-7/8 series. Those airframes are already on the heavy side when using an angle valve IO-360 or 390. We won't know the exact weight difference between the 390 and DHK200 until we get W&B data from Craig's second DHK-powered RV-14 with the final FWF configuration this coming summer, but I expect that installation will be 'several dozen' pounds heavier than the 390. The -10 and -14 which were designed for heavier powerplants from the outset are better able to absorb this weight increase both in terms of overall empty weight and the CG implications. On the -14 for example, you can move the battery back by the elevator bellcrank. On a -7 or -8, you've already moved the battery back there for an angle valve installation, and with DHK you'd probably have to bolt quite a bit of lead to the tail as well. Possible, yes...but certainly a greater compromise of pros/cons to consider.


DeltaHawk is currently testing this alternator on the Cirrus SR20 test bed, and plans to install it on the RV-14 ship #2 we just sent back to Racine, WI for the firewall foreword installation work. They are not expecting compatibility issues. I’ll let you know how it works when we get the plane up and flying.I asked Deltahawk to confirm the Monkworkz MZ-30 will work on the DHK 200. Below is an excerpt from their response. Short answer is yes.
"It mounts to a standard AND20000 accessory pad and is approved for use on Lycoming engines with a 1.3:1 accessory pad ratio, as well as Continental engines with a 1.5:1 ratio.
The unit includes built-in overspeed protection to prevent over-voltage or over-current conditions. For example, on a Lycoming installation the generator will shut down if it exceeds 4,030 RPM, and the unit has an absolute maximum operating speed of 4,600 RPM.
There is also a 28-volt option available, the MZ-17-28, which provides approximately 17 amps at 28 VDC.
Given that the DeltaHawk engine accessory pad operates at a 1.4:1 ratio, and with an engine overspeed limit of 2,860 RPM (resulting in an accessory pad speed of approximately 4,004 RPM), we do not see any issues with operating either the MZ-30 or the MZ-17-28 on the HDK 200.
DeltaHawk is currently testing this alternator on the Cirrus SR20 test bed, and we plan to install it on the RV-14 ship #2 that we just sent back to Racine, WI for the firewall foreward installation. We’re not expecting any compatibility issues.I asked Deltahawk to confirm the Monkworkz MZ-30 will work on the DHK 200. Below is an excerpt from their response. Short answer is yes.
"It mounts to a standard AND20000 accessory pad and is approved for use on Lycoming engines with a 1.3:1 accessory pad ratio, as well as Continental engines with a 1.5:1 ratio.
The unit includes built-in overspeed protection to prevent over-voltage or over-current conditions. For example, on a Lycoming installation the generator will shut down if it exceeds 4,030 RPM, and the unit has an absolute maximum operating speed of 4,600 RPM.
There is also a 28-volt option available, the MZ-17-28, which provides approximately 17 amps at 28 VDC.
Given that the DeltaHawk engine accessory pad operates at a 1.4:1 ratio, and with an engine overspeed limit of 2,860 RPM (resulting in an accessory pad speed of approximately 4,004 RPM), we do not see any issues with operating either the MZ-30 or the MZ-17-28 on the HDK 200.
My understanding (from talking to DeltaHawk at OSH and other published info about the design) is that you can't overboost the DHK engine. The 2-stroke with intake/exhaust ports naturally limits the amount of pressure you can get in the cylinder (with piston at the bottom of the stroke, both intake and exhaust ports are open simultaneously so excess intake pressure is mitigated by more air escaping out the exhaust port). This is fundamentally different from a traditional turbo-charged 4-stroke aircraft engine where a waste gate is needed (sometimes combined with operating limitations) to prevent overboost. The power lever simply meters fuel flow, with the engine designed to safely handle the max fuel flow possible. I think temps are the main thing to monitor, but Craig can chime in if there's any other limitation I've missed.There is an FAA memorandum related to Deltahawk on the DRS website (TC09818EN-E-0-0) which deals with equivalent level of safety (ELOS) for two items: manifold air pressure limitation and fuel intake passage design to limit ice accretion. This talks about how for compression ignition engines these two parameters not being relevant.
At one point you make reference to MP. The above memo indicates that operating limitations must be established related to fuel flow or power-lever angle as a compensating factor in place of MP. With respect to ice accretion, it says that the susceptability is in the fuel similar to turbine engines and therefore the requirements for them are acceptable instead.
Couldn’t have said it better (and, likely not as well). Thanks Czech6My understanding (from talking to DeltaHawk at OSH and other published info about the design) is that you can't overboost the DHK engine. The 2-stroke with intake/exhaust ports naturally limits the amount of pressure you can get in the cylinder (with piston at the bottom of the stroke, both intake and exhaust ports are open simultaneously so excess intake pressure is mitigated by more air escaping out the exhaust port). This is fundamentally different from a traditional turbo-charged 4-stroke aircraft engine where a waste gate is needed (sometimes combined with operating limitations) to prevent overboost. The power lever simply meters fuel flow, with the engine designed to safely handle the max fuel flow possible. I think temps are the main thing to monitor, but Craig can chime in if there's any other limitation I've missed.
Regarding ice, the DHK's intake system isn't susceptible to forming ice (as opposed to a carb setup where ice can form in the right conditions). I believe Craig's 14 has an 'alternate air' control in case the main intake/filter gets blocked by snow, bird ingestion, etc. The other risk with diesel fuel is it can start to gel and/or form ice crystals in cold temps which is why additives are available to prevent this from happening (if you're using Jet A, those additives are already included). One area that DH was still sorting out when I talked to them this past OSH was the fuel filters...I think Craig's airplane has several filters and DH engineering was trying to decide on the best number, filter sizes, locations, service intervals, etc. Those decisions are important because diesel/JetA is more likely to form ice crystals wherever there's a restriction (and filters are restrictions).

Could the return line not just be tee'd into the feed line coming from the tank going to the fuel valve?Craig,
What does the fuel return going back into the fuel tanks require and where is it located on the tank?
I’m building a -15 with hopes of the DH becoming available.
It seems like I will need the dual port fuel selector valve and only use 1 fuel tank at a time instead of running on both tanks like the usual high wing setup.
I know that is a bad idea on automotive fuel returns due to aeration, pressure fluctuations, etc. I suspect it's a bad idea here, as well. Additionally, fuel is used for cooling on the DH, so I expect you would want to pump that warmed fuel back to the tank to mix with the cooler fuel in the tank.Could the return line not just be tee'd into the feed line coming from the tank going to the fuel valve?
How does it use the fuel for cooling? That's interesting.I know that is a bad idea on automotive fuel returns due to aeration, pressure fluctuations, etc. I suspect it's a bad idea here, as well. Additionally, fuel is used for cooling on the DH, so I expect you would want to pump that warmed fuel back to the tank to mix with the cooler fuel in the tank.
I was told during my tour of DH that fuel is circulated around the injectors to cool them. Hopefully Craig will chime in as he is a lot more familiar with the intimate details of the engine.How does it use the fuel for cooling? That's interesting.
The other risk with diesel fuel is it can start to gel and/or form ice crystals in cold temps which is why additives are available to prevent this from happening (if you're using Jet A, those additives are already included).
All 14’s (QB and kits) had a fuel return bung included. See many posts showing this.Did your -14 wing tanks already have the return port included with the kit or did you have to add it? The -15 slow build fuel tank kit does not include a fuel return port.