I think you need some screen captures to get help. Screenpal is what I use, then can be uploaded to utube. Otherwise grab a screenshot
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FORANE
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I had that happen also. The fix was to find the list of open applications you have and delete the one in question. Once that's been deleted you have immediate access to start over with a fresh application.
Vern
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Radioflyer
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Hmmm. I wish I could discern what there is to close or delete. There is no application number or link at the bottom of the MyAWC start screen nor on the right panel of that screen where MyApplications are listed. Could this be a firefox browser issue? I did try chrome, but then couldn't get the 2nd factor authorization code.
Well, what is the other application for? It must be listed. Close it if you don't need it, or modify it as needed (add documents?).
Click on the open application number.
My FAA inspector closed mine so I could make a a replacement application because newer got the replacement AWC after N-number change. I tried to tell him the N-number change would automatically happen when issuing an amended AWC but he wouldn't listen. Rather than argue I decided to let him (temporarily) close it while I made a replacement application. (If you answer No, the system just cancels your attempt.)
Radioflyer
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FinnFlyer, thanks for trying, but my start screen (with the two app panels) simply does not show any application numbers. On the right panel ("My Applications") all numbers are zeros. On the bottom of that start screen, I do not get anything like in your screen shots. So I conclude I have no applications started.
So, in the "create application" panel, when I select "amended certificate" I get a new screen that correctly populates with my aircraft info. That is when I get the "Application Exists" pop-up saying "...N-number...exists in open status...select another registration instead, yes no." I select No and I am returned back to the starting page with no application number listed. I just can't get past this time after time.
To answer my own question if it was a browser issue, I get the same results with Chrome as well as Firefox. So that is not the issue. I am now wondering if my local FSDO has locked me out because they might want me to go through a DAR instead of their handling the application.
Doubtful they "locked you out" because part of of the application process is the option for you to chose a DAR.
You'll probably have to contact the web site administrator, if there is such an option. Definitely appears to be a system glitch.
Note that there was a significant delay (minutes) between the time the FAA inspector said he'd closed my application and it showed as closed on the portal. But it's obviously been longer than that for you. Any chance a DAR or FAA guy has started an application for you?
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FORANE
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Or perhaps someone else fat fingered @Radioflyer N number when trying to update their aircraft. I believe in that case it would show on the other persons login as an application.
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Radioflyer
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Good point about not being locked out. If someone had started an application for me, I can't imagine who and anyhow, it would then probably show up on the screen for me to continue or close or delete. The someone "fat fingering" my n-number in their login is a troubling idea. I've submitted this issue to AWC email and maybe get a helpful response.
I can only imagine that someone, someplace in the FAA universe has mis-typed something related to my N number that I can't see. Such luck. The FAA Registry shows everything accurately but....? Anyhow, thanks all for helping and this too will pass!
I can only imagine that someone, someplace in the FAA universe has mis-typed something related to my N number that I can't see. Such luck. The FAA Registry shows everything accurately but....? Anyhow, thanks all for helping and this too will pass!
Radioflyer
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Yep, basically correct.
Just this morning, FAA/AWC fixed the issue I was having. Someone in 2022 had started, but never closed, an application on my plane. Because that someone was not me, AWC did not show any applications on my AWC log-in and left me in a do loop. If you log into AWC and see a microscopic red exclamation mark next to your N-number on the registration page, I think your only option is to get help directly from AWC.
If the box is checkmarked, what do I write in the box?
I bet no, you will be getting a new AWC
vansaircamper
I'm New Here
I took your advice using Nashville instead of my local fsdo. Thanks for letting us know. I got it all done via text/email. I give Nashville two thumbs up from Siskel & Ebert!!
I withdrew my Baltimore FSDO AWC request which was sitting without action since Feb 9, and created a new one. this time I selected Nashville office in the portal, since Nashville has the awesome reputation. Unfortunately the application got moved back to Baltimore. Meanwhile my repairman cert from Feb 6 is kicked back to the inspector from Oklahoma with the request to resubmit and attach the course completion cert.
Received a call from the inspector in Nashville. He sounded very apologetic and explained that they are basically inundated with the AWC/LSRI requests from around the country and have only a few inspectors who can't do it all. They will be redirecting out of area requests to local offices or DARs. they were happy to hear the word is good on the street about their FSDO.
I just completed the Rainbow course in Buckley, WA this last weekend. I called the Hillsboro, OR FSDO the next day, Monday, and they offered me an appointment, today, Thursday.
The longest part of the appointment was waiting for the temporary certificate to be printed. I was in and out in about 35 minutes with my temporary certificate.
Six days from the beginning of the class to having the certificate in hand. Hopefully the amended AWC will go as smoothly.
The longest part of the appointment was waiting for the temporary certificate to be printed. I was in and out in about 35 minutes with my temporary certificate.
Six days from the beginning of the class to having the certificate in hand. Hopefully the amended AWC will go as smoothly.
I'm finally finished with the Baltimore FSDO (course taken in January). The first amended AWC had one of the paragraphs applicable to a different type of aircraft. I requested correction. The second edition appears to be fine. There was a significant wait time between each transaction. The logbook entry was declined, but I am DONE with advising the government how to comply with their own regulations. There is a chance the FSDO got the process down if someone else needs to use them.
In the hindsight I should have used a DAR, but i did not know it was an option before I took the FSDO route.
In the hindsight I should have used a DAR, but i did not know it was an option before I took the FSDO route.
I applied for the AWC online, directed toward the Houston FSDO. Received an email response the next day and requested updated test area as well. The following day I received an email containing the updated AWC, Operating Limitations and Logbook Entry. Much easier than I expected!
howardtlcc
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Was Houston your local FSDO?
That is the most galling part of this fiasco, for sure.
Yes!
howardtlcc
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thanks, wonder if they would do an out of area request. Might try and find out...
Hello all-
I submitted my request for an amended AWC two weeks ago, and it’s still showing “Open”.
Does “Open” mean “not yet complete and submitted” or “still pending, and awaiting FSDO action”?
When I checked today, I noticed that the hyperlink “Documents” is the only one that doesn’t have a green checkmark next to it.
I’ve uploaded the following:
- Applicant's program letter (explaining what I want to do (amend Ops Limits, change Phase 1 test area)
- Current Operating Limitations Attached (a scanned copy of the current Ops limits).
- Digital FAA Form 8130-6 (this is a digitally signed version of the item below it)
- FAA Form 8130-6: Unsigned (this one appeared on it’s own)
Is there something else I need to upload to trigger the green checkmark?
The site very cryptically says “Please consult 8130.2 to confirm which documents are required for this application type.”
Well, I can’t find a specific list of what (else) I need to submit for this situation.
Overall, I’m very frustrated by the lack of clarity and clear guidance on the AWC site.
Any insight is welcome.
I submitted my request for an amended AWC two weeks ago, and it’s still showing “Open”.
Does “Open” mean “not yet complete and submitted” or “still pending, and awaiting FSDO action”?
When I checked today, I noticed that the hyperlink “Documents” is the only one that doesn’t have a green checkmark next to it.
I’ve uploaded the following:
- Applicant's program letter (explaining what I want to do (amend Ops Limits, change Phase 1 test area)
- Current Operating Limitations Attached (a scanned copy of the current Ops limits).
- Digital FAA Form 8130-6 (this is a digitally signed version of the item below it)
- FAA Form 8130-6: Unsigned (this one appeared on it’s own)
Is there something else I need to upload to trigger the green checkmark?
The site very cryptically says “Please consult 8130.2 to confirm which documents are required for this application type.”
Well, I can’t find a specific list of what (else) I need to submit for this situation.
Overall, I’m very frustrated by the lack of clarity and clear guidance on the AWC site.
Any insight is welcome.
Submitted mine through the IND FSDO in mid Feb.
Some delay due to scheduling issues as the inspector and I couldn’t get our calendars to align, but I met him at the airport today and got my amended op lims and temporary certificate. Took about 10 minutes, had a nice chat with him. No issues at all.
Some delay due to scheduling issues as the inspector and I couldn’t get our calendars to align, but I met him at the airport today and got my amended op lims and temporary certificate. Took about 10 minutes, had a nice chat with him. No issues at all.
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I called the FSDO and spoke with the AWC Inspector on duty.
“Open” means “waiting for FSDO action”. And he told me that he sees a green checkmark next to “Documents” on his end.
He also gave me the name and contact information of my assigned inspector. I was told to expect action on my application soon.
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AnyRVwilldo
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I have been trying to update Using AI and the FSDO for getting guidance on LSRM/LSRI and Sport Pilot usage in my OL. An ugly process...more after this....
[AI slop deleted to prevent a future reader from going down the wrong rabbit trail;S.Buchanan]
[AI slop deleted to prevent a future reader from going down the wrong rabbit trail;S.Buchanan]
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Don't use AI for this. There are several things in there that are incorrect in the output in relation to the update you require.
Submissions should be done through the AWC website. A simple letter asking for updated OL's based on 8130.2L due to the changes in scope for item 17 should suffice as your attachment to the AWC submission. You will submit the 8130-6 electronically through the AWC website in the course of filling out the submission. The inspector assigned will deliver new OL's based on the full applicable scope and language of Appendix D.
Submissions should be done through the AWC website. A simple letter asking for updated OL's based on 8130.2L due to the changes in scope for item 17 should suffice as your attachment to the AWC submission. You will submit the 8130-6 electronically through the AWC website in the course of filling out the submission. The inspector assigned will deliver new OL's based on the full applicable scope and language of Appendix D.
Oh My……
Sorry, but AI is scraping the internet for information and finding all sorts of random stuff - much of it wrong because of people speculating on the process. AI doesn’t know it is wrong, so it just combines it with everything else and spits out garbage. An FAA inspector or DAR has specific Operating Limitation text that they choose from 8130.2L to include in your ops Lims, and they aren’t really allowed to deviate from it. The part about requesting that you have an Ops Lim to allow a Sport Pilot operate your airplane doesn’t exist - its an operational requirement, not an Airworthiness Requirement. And you don’t fill out 8130-6 - AWC does that for you as you answer its questions.
Honestly, I think you should probably delete your posts to avoid completely polluting this thread (and inexperienced folks understanding of the process). If you personally want to try following this process, go ahead, but don’t lead others down an incorrect path.
Sorry, but AI is scraping the internet for information and finding all sorts of random stuff - much of it wrong because of people speculating on the process. AI doesn’t know it is wrong, so it just combines it with everything else and spits out garbage. An FAA inspector or DAR has specific Operating Limitation text that they choose from 8130.2L to include in your ops Lims, and they aren’t really allowed to deviate from it. The part about requesting that you have an Ops Lim to allow a Sport Pilot operate your airplane doesn’t exist - its an operational requirement, not an Airworthiness Requirement. And you don’t fill out 8130-6 - AWC does that for you as you answer its questions.
Honestly, I think you should probably delete your posts to avoid completely polluting this thread (and inexperienced folks understanding of the process). If you personally want to try following this process, go ahead, but don’t lead others down an incorrect path.
AnyRVwilldo
Member
Thank you. I have been in touch with the FSDO with out help (more confusion). From what you say, if I use AWC, it will bypass the FSDO. In a letter generated by AI, it asks the FSDO for permission to use AWC. The 8130.2L states " 4 184, 185,189, 190, 191AFS-300AFS-800 Application to amend this certificate must be made to the responsible Flight Standards Office or CM section. "
As you can see my OL is way out of date (2004). Would they correct that also? And if you read all My OL versions you will see that there is a need to prove that your EAB aircraft's VS1 will be in spec for MOSAIC and Sport Pilot usage. Do you have a request letter that covers all this or a copy of the OL that they provided you. Thanks
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AnyRVwilldo
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This is very long thread. Is there someone out there that can provide an example letter that actually worked..................
They will be confused as the AI is leading you down the wrong path for what you're looking for. Let me see if I can address your questions directly.
You, the applicant for updating your Special Airworthiness Certificate (including Operating Limitations), use the applicant side of the Airworthiness Certification portal (hereby referred to as the AWC). This is the path to update your OL's.
In the process of filling out the steps for an Amended Certificate in the AWC, you will provide the details through web forms that will populate an electronic version of an 8130-6. You will also upload a letter to AWC simply asking for your OL's to be updated to the latest version.
It does not matter how old they are or what they say, you will get an entirely new set of OL's based on the current revision's ("L") Appendix D. This will be performed by an inspector assigned by the FSDO chosen when submitting your application in AWC, or via a DAR. The inspector may have additional questions for you in the course of reviewing your request, you can simply produce the evidence required when requested.
Very separately, to your last point around Sport Pilot, I recommend you review the EAA's resources on the topic, including FAQ's and videos. Your OL's do not define Sport Pilot privileges or conditions. It is important to understand the differences between the limitations of the pilot and the airplane as two separate entities in relation to Sport Pilot and how they apply to your specific situation.
You, the applicant for updating your Special Airworthiness Certificate (including Operating Limitations), use the applicant side of the Airworthiness Certification portal (hereby referred to as the AWC). This is the path to update your OL's.
In the process of filling out the steps for an Amended Certificate in the AWC, you will provide the details through web forms that will populate an electronic version of an 8130-6. You will also upload a letter to AWC simply asking for your OL's to be updated to the latest version.
It does not matter how old they are or what they say, you will get an entirely new set of OL's based on the current revision's ("L") Appendix D. This will be performed by an inspector assigned by the FSDO chosen when submitting your application in AWC, or via a DAR. The inspector may have additional questions for you in the course of reviewing your request, you can simply produce the evidence required when requested.
Very separately, to your last point around Sport Pilot, I recommend you review the EAA's resources on the topic, including FAQ's and videos. Your OL's do not define Sport Pilot privileges or conditions. It is important to understand the differences between the limitations of the pilot and the airplane as two separate entities in relation to Sport Pilot and how they apply to your specific situation.
AnyRVwilldo
Member
Thank you for responding. I pointed the AI to the lastest 8130-2L Doc. It Found This:
[More erroneous AI slop; S.Buchanan]
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I’m sorry, but AI has gotten this part (quoting from your long post) wrong:
11. The pilot in command must hold a pilot certificate with a category and class appropriate to the aircraft being flown. The pilot in command must hold all required ratings or authorizations and endorsements required by 14 CFR Part 61. This aircraft may be operated by a person holding a sport pilot certificate only if the aircraft meets the requirements of § 61.316 and is operated in accordance with the privileges and limitations of § 61.315. Appendix D, Lim. #7 (MOSAIC)
This is NOT Operating Limitation #7 in the current table D-1 (I am looking at the actual document right now). I don’t know WHERE AI got it, but it is not in 8130.2L. And if it got that wrong, what else did it get wrong that you don’t know? You’ve posted a huge amount of AI-generate text, and I would suggest to anyone following this thread for guidance to ignore it - or use it at your own peril, because at least some of it is wrong.
Again - You’re just muddying the waters by asking AI to interpret something that the FAA is still trying to figure out.
Paul
11. The pilot in command must hold a pilot certificate with a category and class appropriate to the aircraft being flown. The pilot in command must hold all required ratings or authorizations and endorsements required by 14 CFR Part 61. This aircraft may be operated by a person holding a sport pilot certificate only if the aircraft meets the requirements of § 61.316 and is operated in accordance with the privileges and limitations of § 61.315. Appendix D, Lim. #7 (MOSAIC)
This is NOT Operating Limitation #7 in the current table D-1 (I am looking at the actual document right now). I don’t know WHERE AI got it, but it is not in 8130.2L. And if it got that wrong, what else did it get wrong that you don’t know? You’ve posted a huge amount of AI-generate text, and I would suggest to anyone following this thread for guidance to ignore it - or use it at your own peril, because at least some of it is wrong.
Again - You’re just muddying the waters by asking AI to interpret something that the FAA is still trying to figure out.
Paul
I'm really trying to help here -- Generative AI is not the right tool for the task at hand which concerns legal matters concerning your airplane's airworthiness and your legality to fly.
Please review Order 8130.2L directly. You will find no such text that the model is referencing.
For your questions on Sport Pilot qualifications and limitations, consult the EAA link I provided earlier, or the actual regulations on the topic (not a GenAI answer).
I’m just blocking the guy. You’ve been nice twice by asking him to remove his posts. No action other than to quote AI again. Hi level trolling?
Sam Buchanan
been here awhile
The posts have been either deleted or heavily edited.
There’s been a lot of discussion on this, so I’ll share what actually worked for me.
This is the process I used to amend my Operating Limitations through the AWC portal. It worked.
I submitted after hours on 2/25/26 and had the amended certificate and op limits in my inbox at 8:00 AM on 3/5/26 — about 3 business days once submitted.
The hardest part by far was just understanding the terminology on the AWC site and the form.
A couple notes:
• The applicant is responsible for AD compliance — look up the current AD Biweekly number and enter it (see item 5 in the guide)
• I had a quick call with the FSDO after issuance to review the final documents
• If you’re doing this, take the opportunity to update your Phase I test area — much easier to do it now
My application showed “Open” the entire time — in my case that meant pending FSDO action, not incomplete.
I’m not interpreting the regs here — just sharing exactly what I did and how it went. Your FSDO/DAR may handle it a little differently.
That’s it. It moved quickly once submitted, hope this helps someone.
This is the process I used to amend my Operating Limitations through the AWC portal. It worked.
I submitted after hours on 2/25/26 and had the amended certificate and op limits in my inbox at 8:00 AM on 3/5/26 — about 3 business days once submitted.
The hardest part by far was just understanding the terminology on the AWC site and the form.
A couple notes:
• The applicant is responsible for AD compliance — look up the current AD Biweekly number and enter it (see item 5 in the guide)
• I had a quick call with the FSDO after issuance to review the final documents
• If you’re doing this, take the opportunity to update your Phase I test area — much easier to do it now
My application showed “Open” the entire time — in my case that meant pending FSDO action, not incomplete.
I’m not interpreting the regs here — just sharing exactly what I did and how it went. Your FSDO/DAR may handle it a little differently.
That’s it. It moved quickly once submitted, hope this helps someone.
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AnyRVwilldo
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Thanks for the update it was helpful.
Pasted below is the lastest 8130.2L dated 1/30/2026 showing "Sport Pilot". I don't like trolls accusing other of being trolls. This is 3rd grade stuff.
As Dillten stated in so many words, the FSDO is in charge of what gets in the OL. Last night I sent my updated OL to my FSDO. I talked my FSDO just now for an half hour and he said if he has questions about any of the requested OL changes, he would forward it to another FAA office to adjudicated (per my conversation) . He seem uncomfortable with the amount of changes in my OL, but did not point out anything wrong with it except for the location of Phase 1 testing . My interpretation is that the more amount of requested changes that are made, the greater amount of time the turn around will take. Also, the FSDO will put in the OL what they are comfortable with. He emphizied that he wants included in the request the documentation of the Lastest ADs and Annuals (Aircraft, prop, engine) done on the airplane. He also said that you could include the Old and the new "suggested" OL in the AWC request. He stated that your local FSDO will process the AWC request first. He stated that he would like to inspect my aircraft to make sure it is up to snuff (this is optional ).
I am sure that everyone want the LSRM, LSRI, and Sport Pilot language in their OLs to increase the value of the aircraft. If you don't request it you may not get it.
It looks like you are trying to make the FSDO's job easier by giving them a template to copy from, but not sure you are supposed to, since you don't have the authority to make modifications. It's their task to fully review and update the operating limits per the latest 8130 order, and verify with you that the edited document matches what you expected.
AnyRVwilldo
Member
In the Govt.. if you have a bird in hand, It just might be eaten... However, this fsdo likes pointing out that the DAR option is as good one. He made it sound like if he did not like the OL he would forward it to another centralized FAA Code/department for work. So Dillten's take is good; ...Only ask for the changes that you really need. The real story here is that these EAB OLs should all look the same except for Test location part. This is classic Govt. If the gov't was efficient, it would just send out a mail/email with an addendum page that you would attach to the back of your existing OL stating the new MOSAIC limitations for EABs. Also, note that when I originally contacted the FSDO about the wording, he stated that it may take a week or two to research this MOSAIC issue. So the MOSAIC thing was something new to him and was not on the top his mind (my take). Also, there may be some resentment by the FSDOs that these LSRMs/LSRIs are going to do work in which it took them years to learn and get certified... The luck of the draw.
this is not possible if you look in this thread's history. amended AWC request cannot cherry pick one or two paragraphs you are interested in and leave everything else as is. The inspector is required to review every single item in the operating limits and make sure all are in accordance with 8130.2L
^^ yep, hire the DAR
AnyRVwilldo
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It is clear that a current and up to date OL example has not been provided here. No one has addressed my "lastest 8130.2L dated 1/30/2026" post either. A DAR could provide it....but... The Sport Pilot Issue has not been addressed. I provided an updated OL using the Latest 8130.2L but it was deleted along with my conversation with my local FSDO. The Older ones were not good since the AI was relying on the internet and not a Specific up to date 8130.2L. No you will not get everything you asked for. The FSDO will do what he wants... Carefully read my posts. It is clear that not all DARs/FSDOs know how to handle MOSAIC. It is the luck of the Draw..
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This is, by now, indisputable.
My local FSDO guy has been working the amended AWC issue for me and I have absolutely zero complaints about his attitude or level of effort. The problem is that the process one must follow to accomplish this minor task (which in most cases should not even be necessary) is just absurdly overcomplicated--and I'm not even privy to what the FAA side of the "website from hell" looks like.
I've negotiated class-action settlements where the process was less complicated and time-consuming than amending my AWC to change one operating limitation....
