An RV, especially a -10, is a lot of airplane for a rookie pilot. Because of the relatively high speeds, things happen fast. Also, you might find it difficult to find a CFI willing or able to give lessons in an Experimental aircraft. Not to mention getting insurance in a relatively expensive, fast plane with few hours. Finally, the Phase I 40 hours are to be used to test fly the plane in various configurations of speed, weight, CG location, etc. which are best done by a somewhat experienced pilot. I suggest you check out these issues before committing to this plan. Good luck with your training, however you get it.I have a confession to make, I'm not currently a pilot, my intention is to build my RV-10, have someone fly off the 40 hrs of time and then learn to fly
in it, what do you think about that?
An RV, especially a -10, is a lot of airplane for a rookie pilot. Because of the relatively high speeds, things happen fast.
Are we being trolled?Well all the advice is great, but I'm not exactly saddled with the no experience, I have over 1,000 hrs flight time in a flight simulator
And I have the "squeakers" down pat, I realize the insurance is going to be expensive at first, I still think I can do my dream here!
Why would you call me a "TROLL", my posts have all been positive based, no attacking anyones posts, and no, I have not flown any jets in the flightsim, I have stuck to piston singles and I have flown to and landed at many airports !Are we being trolled?
Who the heck count FlightSim time in hours? Also does it include 737 and 787 time?
One who logs sim time would be DR. Totally legitimate with the appropriate simulator.Are we being trolled?
Who the heck count FlightSim time in hours? Also does it include 737 and 787 time?
Where they A's or tail draggers, thanks for your short story, it can be done, exactly how did you struggle with landings ?I learned in my fathers' -6 and didn't solo until my -14 was built. I've never flown a 150 or 172. So I can affirm it's totally doable. That said I struggled with landings a bit. Totally worth it in the end though not having to pay for a rental.
Both nose wheel. I had a tendency to float or flare too high. Poor speed/energy management. My approaches were terrible as well. Often too tight a pattern for a newbie. I didn't have much formal training by a CFI, my father was "teaching" me. And he sucked at it. Pretty much just kept his mouth shut and when I got too far off he'd take over. By the time I got time with a CFI I had 30 hrs and only a few landings and the -14 was flying. My CFI is my neighbor and I helped him replace the engine in his -4 which I traded for instruction. So he took me the rest of the way in my -14. Which went really fast. Only a few hours before solo.Where they A's or tail draggers, thanks for your short story, it can be done, exactly how did you struggle with landings ?
It’s a totally different way to learn, the way the AF teaches and the way CFIs teach are just different. BUT, T-6s are pretty sturdy for student pilots to beat up on! That’s for sure.I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.
Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known.
An RV-10 would be suboptimal as a primary trainer because of its resilience in the face of heavy landings. All of the Vans designs (with the possible exception of the RV-12, which is no better or worse than any other light sport airplane) are fine in the hands of someone who already knows how to fly without bending undercarriage legs and propellor tips, but probably not well suited to absorbing the mistakes that are inevitably made while the skills are being built.
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No, you simulated landing at those airports.Why would you call me a "TROLL", my posts have all been positive based, no attacking anyones posts, and no, I have not flown any jets in the flightsim, I have stuck to piston singles and I have flown to and landed at many airports !
I'm sorry but unless your talking about a full motion sim at Flight Safety or equivalent, you're in for a big surprise when you get in a real airplane.Well all the advice is great, but I'm not exactly saddled with the no experience, I have over 1,000 hrs flight time in a flight simulator
And I have the "squeakers" down pat, I realize the insurance is going to be expensive at first, I still think I can do my dream here!
I must qualify by saying that I am of a civilian flying background. However, I fly with many military-trained pilots at work. If we had the same structured training program, with the same oversight/evaluation protocols as military training, the RV-10 might work. A Pilatus PC-9 would work, too (if you could afford it). Unfortunately, the civilian world tends to not have those same structures outside of a some well-regarded flight schools - and they don't use experimentals.I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.
Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known.
An RV-10 would be suboptimal as a primary trainer because of its resilience in the face of heavy landings. All of the Vans designs (with the possible exception of the RV-12, which is no better or worse than any other light sport airplane) are fine in the hands of someone who already knows how to fly without bending undercarriage legs and propellor tips, but probably not well suited to absorbing the mistakes that are inevitably made while the skills are being built.
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And just try and get insurance...........MOSAIC Rules for Sport Pilots
54-knot maximum clean stall speed
Gross weights up to about 3,000 pounds
Top speed of 250 knots
No more than one pilot and passenger at a time
Angle of attack indicators, envelope protection equipment, and moving maps are encouraged under MOSAIC Rules
Allowed to fly at night
Allow controllable-pitch propellers
Operate the more capable aircraft with appropriate training and instructor endorsements
Qualified pilots to fly under IFR in instrument conditions
Only 20 hours of flight training to receive Sport Pilots License
Ruling expected by the end of the year 2024 or early 2025
Well look at that I could learn to fly in a RV -10 for 20 of hours training for my Sport Pilots License, and then fly my hours to receive my Private Pilots License !
My nephew learned to fly in the USAF maybe a dozen years ago. They started out in DA-20s, more like survival than real training, from what he told me. And there was one rich wife who bought her husband a Beech Duke as a birthday present. He soloed in it after 120 hours…I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.
Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known.
An RV-10 would be suboptimal as a primary trainer because of its resilience in the face of heavy landings. All of the Vans designs (with the possible exception of the RV-12, which is no better or worse than any other light sport airplane) are fine in the hands of someone who already knows how to fly without bending undercarriage legs and propellor tips, but probably not well suited to absorbing the mistakes that are inevitably made while the skills are being built.
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NOPE! See above exceptions. I once had a friend that bragged about all the simulator hours he had. His first flight in a real airplane was quite an eye opener.MOSAIC Rules for Sport Pilots.....Not currently in effect!
54-knot maximum clean stall speed.....RV-10 does not meet!
Gross weights up to about 3,000 pounds
Top speed of 250 knots
No more than one pilot and passenger at a time
Angle of attack indicators, envelope protection equipment, and moving maps are encouraged under MOSAIC Rules
Allowed to fly at night.....Only with BasicMed, which also requires 3rd class medical first!
Allow controllable-pitch propellers
Operate the more capable aircraft with appropriate training and instructor endorsements
Qualified pilots to fly under IFR in instrument conditions
Only 20 hours of flight training to receive Sport Pilots License.....How many Sport Pilots do you know that got the license in 20 hrs?
Ruling expected by the end of the year 2024 or early 2025.....By AirVenture 2025..Maybe!
Well look at that I could learn to fly in a RV -10 for 20 of hours training for my Sport Pilots License, and then fly my hours to receive my Private Pilots License !
This x 1000. The people who end up not liking it include people who love flight sims. It’s just a very different experience. And soloing (much less going all the way to a completed checkride) is very different from enjoying an intro lesson or two. I’d suggest flight training through at least solo sign-off before buying a trainer or committing to a build.Also, a significant number who people who start flight training decide it's not for them and never finish. If you're one of those people it would really suck to be locked into feeling that it's something you have to do because you just built a $300,000 airplane
The USAF candidate pilots are highly screened. They also wash out pilots on the first few flights. A lot of which go on to become GA pilots when given the time to learn in a true primary trainer aircraft like a 172 or a Cherokee.I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.
Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known
You asked the forum for our thoughts. You got them. It sounds like your mind is made up, which is fine. Don’t get upset when you don’t hear the answer you want to hear.I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
Well all the advice is great, but I'm not exactly saddled with the no experience, I have over 1,000 hrs flight time in a flight simulator
And I have the "squeakers" down pat, I realize the insurance is going to be expensive at first, I still think I can do my dream here!
It isn’t the airplane that is the issue; it is the pilot. You will be held to the same standard whether flying a 172 or an RV-10. Staying within the prescribed standards will be arguably easier and more consistent in the 172; things happen MUCH slower. For a student pilot, that is definitely a benefit.I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
How much seat time do you have?I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
Not a single on of those reviews was written in your context.I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
And every one of these reviews was written by a LICENSED PILOT!I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
The RV-10 clean stall speed is approx 64 kts. So unless the proposed Mosaic rules are revised, the RV-10 doesn't qualify.MOSAIC Rules for Sport Pilots
54-knot maximum clean stall speed
Gross weights up to about 3,000 pounds
Top speed of 250 knots
No more than one pilot and passenger at a time
Angle of attack indicators, envelope protection equipment, and moving maps are encouraged under MOSAIC Rules
Allowed to fly at night
Allow controllable-pitch propellers
Operate the more capable aircraft with appropriate training and instructor endorsements
Qualified pilots to fly under IFR in instrument conditions
Only 20 hours of flight training to receive Sport Pilots License
Ruling expected by the end of the year 2024 or early 2025
Well look at that I could learn to fly in a RV -10 for 20 of hours training for my Sport Pilots License, and then fly my hours to receive my Private Pilots License !
Are you willing to fly without insurance because with zero time it won’t just be uber expensive, you are most likely uninsurable.I was not aware that the clean stall speed was so high, my bad, oh well, I still think I can learn to fly in my RV-10
Not trying to be rude here but it takes a ton of time to build a plane. The best advice I can think of is to spend ALL of your free time building. The more time you spend here debating things, the longer it will take to realize your dream.I was not aware that the clean stall speed was so high, my bad, oh well, I still think I can learn to fly in my RV-10
I always tell those who have never flown before to go get a first class medical. If you ever plan on getting paid to fly, and before you spend a dime training or studying for a test, know that you can pass a first class medical.Are you willing to fly without insurance because with zero time it won’t just be uber expensive, you are most likely uninsurable.
Oh and make sure you can pass a Class III medical before you embark on this adventure or it’s DOA.
Holy Sky King! Your first solo flight was in a 310?!? I hope you got a swaggering photo afterwards!!!But, don't let anyone tell you that you can't learn to fly in a certain type of airplane. I learned to fly in a Cessna 310 Twin engine airplane, often referred to as " a man's plane" (not my words).
Probably not the most efficient* way to get into aviation, but I don’t see anything dangerous with the plan. The 10 is an easy airplane to fly - certainly less challenging than the Cirrus - and plenty of those are used as primary trainers.I have a confession to make, I'm not currently a pilot, my intention is to build my RV-10, have someone fly off the 40 hrs of time and then learn to fly
in it, what do you think about that?
“The -10 is an easy airplane to fly…”Probably not the most efficient* way to get into aviation, but I don’t see anything dangerous with the plan. The 10 is an easy airplane to fly - certainly less challenging than the Cirrus - and plenty of those are used as primary trainers.
*I mention efficiency because it is the rare student who actually knows what they want BEFORE starting to fly. I had all kinds of ideas about my mission before getting the ticket - but that changed quickly once I started flying in the real world.