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Learning to fly in a RV-10

MarkAJ

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I have a confession to make, I'm not currently a pilot, my intention is to build my RV-10, have someone fly off the 40 hrs of time and then learn to fly
in it, what do you think about that?
 
As a "retired" Flight Instructor, I would counsel against that, in general. General Aviation trainers are designed to be flown by "learners" and for the most part, they are sturdier than Vans aircraft. I might suggest that you do about half or so of your initial training using aircraft generally dedicated to the trainer role. Then perhaps when you've got some experience under your belt, then you could finish off in the RV-10.
Also, that way or something similar, you could be learning to fly during the last stages of the construction.
One person's opinion, ....... worth exactly what you paid for it! :cool:
 
Before you can do what you want. You gotta do something else first.

If you want to fly. Bite the bullet and spend the time and money to learn to fly.

If you want to save money, you have the wrong hobby.

Ask me how I know. I stopped flying and went to A&P school. I finally got my ppl this year, 35 years after my first flight.

If you were independently wealthy and had the free time to build a -10. You’re going to be 2-3 years at it.
 
I have a confession to make, I'm not currently a pilot, my intention is to build my RV-10, have someone fly off the 40 hrs of time and then learn to fly
in it, what do you think about that?
An RV, especially a -10, is a lot of airplane for a rookie pilot. Because of the relatively high speeds, things happen fast. Also, you might find it difficult to find a CFI willing or able to give lessons in an Experimental aircraft. Not to mention getting insurance in a relatively expensive, fast plane with few hours. Finally, the Phase I 40 hours are to be used to test fly the plane in various configurations of speed, weight, CG location, etc. which are best done by a somewhat experienced pilot. I suggest you check out these issues before committing to this plan. Good luck with your training, however you get it.
 
An RV, especially a -10, is a lot of airplane for a rookie pilot. Because of the relatively high speeds, things happen fast.

I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.

Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known.

An RV-10 would be suboptimal as a primary trainer because of its resilience in the face of heavy landings. All of the Vans designs (with the possible exception of the RV-12, which is no better or worse than any other light sport airplane) are fine in the hands of someone who already knows how to fly without bending undercarriage legs and propellor tips, but probably not well suited to absorbing the mistakes that are inevitably made while the skills are being built.

- mark
 
I've been a flight instructor for a long time; It's certainly doable, but I'd suggest that you'll have an easier time of it learning to fly in a Cessna and then transitioning to a faster airplane later. Not to mention, something like a 172 can be slammed into teh ground a jillion times and just shrug it off. There are lots of ways a student pilot can hurt a complicated delicate airplane like an RV.

Also, a significant number who people who start flight training decide it's not for them and never finish. If you're one of those people it would really suck to be locked into feeling that it's something you have to do because you just built a $300,000 airplane

The comment about insurance is a valid point. Airplane insurance rates are based in large part on pilot experience. There was a guy on Facebook a while back that was a 70 hour Private pilot who was wanting to buy an old Bonanza. He was complaining that several companies wouldn't even quote coverage and the two that did wanted either 25 or 50 hours of dual and quoted around $8k a year premium until he got some experience under his belt.

All that aside, as I said, it's certainly doable from a technical standpoint, but it's not the most efficient way to go about it.
 
I’m a cfi and a -10 owner, and I agree with everything above. You will learn more slowly in an RV, because (1) of the RV’s speed, and (2) the RV is not built like a tank (like a 152). Also, call Jenny at Gallagher and find out if a student pilot is even insurable in a -10. And what it will cost to insure a 100 hour pilot. If you start training now, in a 172, get your license and keep flying while building, you’ll have a few hundred hours when you finish the -10, and these other questions go away.
 
Well all the advice is great, but I'm not exactly saddled with the no experience, I have over 1,000 hrs flight time in a flight simulator
And I have the "squeakers" down pat, I realize the insurance is going to be expensive at first, I still think I can do my dream here!
 
Well all the advice is great, but I'm not exactly saddled with the no experience, I have over 1,000 hrs flight time in a flight simulator
And I have the "squeakers" down pat, I realize the insurance is going to be expensive at first, I still think I can do my dream here!
Are we being trolled?

Who the heck count FlightSim time in hours? Also does it include 737 and 787 time?
 
Are we being trolled?

Who the heck count FlightSim time in hours? Also does it include 737 and 787 time?
Why would you call me a "TROLL", my posts have all been positive based, no attacking anyones posts, and no, I have not flown any jets in the flightsim, I have stuck to piston singles and I have flown to and landed at many airports !
 
I learned in my fathers' -6 and didn't solo until my -14 was built. I've never flown a 150 or 172. So I can affirm it's totally doable. That said I struggled with landings a bit. Totally worth it in the end though not having to pay for a rental.
 
Are we being trolled?

Who the heck count FlightSim time in hours? Also does it include 737 and 787 time?
One who logs sim time would be DR. Totally legitimate with the appropriate simulator.
In many cases when an airline pilot transitions to a different type the first time they fly the "real" airplane is with a load of passengers in the back and an instructor in the right seat.
 
In the WWII era and beyond the first solo might be in a Stearman. The Stearman has some quirks that make it far less tolerant of simple mistakes than any modern trainer. The Stearman's worked in the war era because most of the training fields were grass or dirt and most of the fields were "all way" fields. Takeoffs and landings into the wind, no crosswinds. One of the worst things about the Stearman is learning to deal with crosswinds without bending the airplane. A main gear and lower wing on a Stearman is far more costly then a Cessna 152 nose gear.
Just for the record the Cessna's have very similar main landing gears to the RV's and the nose gears are only slightly more tolerant of being slammed into the ground than a nosewheel RV.
 
Yes, I think it’s totally doable. Do I think it’s smart, absolutely not.
1. You will be denying yourself a few years of flying while you are building.
2. For less than a tank of AVgas, you can get an annual renters insurance policy. Students are hard on the plane. In addition to the landing, most RV’s are more sensitive to improper leaning, temperature issues with poor engine management, etc. the trainers are much more tolerant to screwups.
Could a teenager learn to drive in a new manual transmission corvette? Yes. Would a used Honda be a better choice? Absolutely.
Your choice. The insurance company will sway your decision when you get closer.
 
I learned in my fathers' -6 and didn't solo until my -14 was built. I've never flown a 150 or 172. So I can affirm it's totally doable. That said I struggled with landings a bit. Totally worth it in the end though not having to pay for a rental.
Where they A's or tail draggers, thanks for your short story, it can be done, exactly how did you struggle with landings ?
 
Where they A's or tail draggers, thanks for your short story, it can be done, exactly how did you struggle with landings ?
Both nose wheel. I had a tendency to float or flare too high. Poor speed/energy management. My approaches were terrible as well. Often too tight a pattern for a newbie. I didn't have much formal training by a CFI, my father was "teaching" me. And he sucked at it. Pretty much just kept his mouth shut and when I got too far off he'd take over. By the time I got time with a CFI I had 30 hrs and only a few landings and the -14 was flying. My CFI is my neighbor and I helped him replace the engine in his -4 which I traded for instruction. So he took me the rest of the way in my -14. Which went really fast. Only a few hours before solo.

BTW I had dozens of hours of FSX time as well. I did all of the Rod Machado training stuff which was super helpful, especially for the written exam.
 
Here’s where I am, and so far I still think it’s a decent way to do it. I bought a 50 year old 172, less expensive than the engine and probably the avionics I plan on putting into the 10 I’m building in my garage. I’ve been averaging 75-150 hours a year flying the last 5 years with it. Since I’m building in my garage mostly after the kids go to bed I haven’t been losing either flying or building time because I’m doing the other. I’ve had a lot of good lessons in the 172 flying all over the eastern half of the US. I would like to think I am a proficient pilot in what I am flying, but I’m planning on doing thorough transition training to make the jump to CS props, much more speed, glass panel, and a stick.

If you can afford to build a -10, buy a spam can and get some real world time while you are doing it. Learn what aircraft ownership is like, what traveling GA is like, before committing years to a project. Plus there is no motivation to get back to building like making a cross country in a 172 and thinking about how much faster you would get there if you finished the rv project.
 
I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.

Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known.

An RV-10 would be suboptimal as a primary trainer because of its resilience in the face of heavy landings. All of the Vans designs (with the possible exception of the RV-12, which is no better or worse than any other light sport airplane) are fine in the hands of someone who already knows how to fly without bending undercarriage legs and propellor tips, but probably not well suited to absorbing the mistakes that are inevitably made while the skills are being built.

- mark
It’s a totally different way to learn, the way the AF teaches and the way CFIs teach are just different. BUT, T-6s are pretty sturdy for student pilots to beat up on! That’s for sure.

I love Pilatus don’t get me wrong, but please don’t slander Beechcraft’s pride and joy the T-6 Texan II.
 
Why would you call me a "TROLL", my posts have all been positive based, no attacking anyones posts, and no, I have not flown any jets in the flightsim, I have stuck to piston singles and I have flown to and landed at many airports !
No, you simulated landing at those airports.
 
Well all the advice is great, but I'm not exactly saddled with the no experience, I have over 1,000 hrs flight time in a flight simulator
And I have the "squeakers" down pat, I realize the insurance is going to be expensive at first, I still think I can do my dream here!
I'm sorry but unless your talking about a full motion sim at Flight Safety or equivalent, you're in for a big surprise when you get in a real airplane.
 
I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.

Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known.

An RV-10 would be suboptimal as a primary trainer because of its resilience in the face of heavy landings. All of the Vans designs (with the possible exception of the RV-12, which is no better or worse than any other light sport airplane) are fine in the hands of someone who already knows how to fly without bending undercarriage legs and propellor tips, but probably not well suited to absorbing the mistakes that are inevitably made while the skills are being built.

- mark
I must qualify by saying that I am of a civilian flying background. However, I fly with many military-trained pilots at work. If we had the same structured training program, with the same oversight/evaluation protocols as military training, the RV-10 might work. A Pilatus PC-9 would work, too (if you could afford it). Unfortunately, the civilian world tends to not have those same structures outside of a some well-regarded flight schools - and they don't use experimentals.

As some have mentioned...finding an insurance company willing to cover that first solo in an RV-10 might be impossible.
 
Mark
I appreciate your enthusiasm but the -10 is not a trainer. I built one. Before first flight I did transition training with Mike Seaver. Even though I had 1400 hrs, over 900 in my 9A, I was really stretched to stay ahead of the -10.
I can’t imagine beginning to fly in the 10.

Perha
 
MOSAIC Rules for Sport Pilots

54-knot maximum clean stall speed
Gross weights up to about 3,000 pounds
Top speed of 250 knots
No more than one pilot and passenger at a time
Angle of attack indicators, envelope protection equipment, and moving maps are encouraged under MOSAIC Rules
Allowed to fly at night
Allow controllable-pitch propellers
Operate the more capable aircraft with appropriate training and instructor endorsements
Qualified pilots to fly under IFR in instrument conditions
Only 20 hours of flight training to receive Sport Pilots License
Ruling expected by the end of the year 2024 or early 2025

Well look at that I could learn to fly in a RV -10 for 20 of hours training for my Sport Pilots License, and then fly my hours to receive my Private Pilots License !
 
MOSAIC Rules for Sport Pilots

54-knot maximum clean stall speed
Gross weights up to about 3,000 pounds
Top speed of 250 knots
No more than one pilot and passenger at a time
Angle of attack indicators, envelope protection equipment, and moving maps are encouraged under MOSAIC Rules
Allowed to fly at night
Allow controllable-pitch propellers
Operate the more capable aircraft with appropriate training and instructor endorsements
Qualified pilots to fly under IFR in instrument conditions
Only 20 hours of flight training to receive Sport Pilots License
Ruling expected by the end of the year 2024 or early 2025

Well look at that I could learn to fly in a RV -10 for 20 of hours training for my Sport Pilots License, and then fly my hours to receive my Private Pilots License !
And just try and get insurance...........

What's Legal ain't always smart..........
 
I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.

Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known.

An RV-10 would be suboptimal as a primary trainer because of its resilience in the face of heavy landings. All of the Vans designs (with the possible exception of the RV-12, which is no better or worse than any other light sport airplane) are fine in the hands of someone who already knows how to fly without bending undercarriage legs and propellor tips, but probably not well suited to absorbing the mistakes that are inevitably made while the skills are being built.

- mark
My nephew learned to fly in the USAF maybe a dozen years ago. They started out in DA-20s, more like survival than real training, from what he told me. And there was one rich wife who bought her husband a Beech Duke as a birthday present. He soloed in it after 120 hours…
 
I would not want to learn to land and porpoise in a new plane I built.

At a minimum, I'd get a few hours past solo in a training plane like a 172.

No rush if you have school options near you.

Perhaps building a 10 is hard and at times frustrating. I bet some lessons would help stoke the fire.
 
MOSAIC Rules for Sport Pilots.....Not currently in effect!

54-knot maximum clean stall speed.....RV-10 does not meet!
Gross weights up to about 3,000 pounds
Top speed of 250 knots
No more than one pilot and passenger at a time
Angle of attack indicators, envelope protection equipment, and moving maps are encouraged under MOSAIC Rules
Allowed to fly at night.....Only with BasicMed, which also requires 3rd class medical first!
Allow controllable-pitch propellers
Operate the more capable aircraft with appropriate training and instructor endorsements
Qualified pilots
to fly under IFR in instrument conditions
Only 20 hours of flight training to receive Sport Pilots License.....How many Sport Pilots do you know that got the license in 20 hrs?
Ruling expected by the end of the year 2024 or early 2025.....By AirVenture 2025..Maybe!

Well look at that I could learn to fly in a RV -10 for 20 of hours training for my Sport Pilots License, and then fly my hours to receive my Private Pilots License !
NOPE! See above exceptions. I once had a friend that bragged about all the simulator hours he had. His first flight in a real airplane was quite an eye opener.
There's been a ton of good advice given. You should listen to experienced people.
I'll quote one of my early mentors who often said, "I'll go ahead and fill out the accident report and leave the date blank."
 
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Also, a significant number who people who start flight training decide it's not for them and never finish. If you're one of those people it would really suck to be locked into feeling that it's something you have to do because you just built a $300,000 airplane
This x 1000. The people who end up not liking it include people who love flight sims. It’s just a very different experience. And soloing (much less going all the way to a completed checkride) is very different from enjoying an intro lesson or two. I’d suggest flight training through at least solo sign-off before buying a trainer or committing to a build.

Also, as others have noted, if insurance is important to you (or required in your state) it may be a real adventure trying to get insured in a -10 as a student or new pilot. A -10 is a lot of airplane.

Good luck!
 
I've often wondered about this: The USAF uses T-6A Texan II (Pilatus PC-9) as primary trainers for ab initio pilots, and they're a lot faster and a lot more complex than RV-10s.

Maybe fast airplanes are fine if that's the only thing you've ever known
The USAF candidate pilots are highly screened. They also wash out pilots on the first few flights. A lot of which go on to become GA pilots when given the time to learn in a true primary trainer aircraft like a 172 or a Cherokee.
The military is looking for someone that already has “it” and goes full fire hose learning.
 
Mil trained, but started in gliders at 14 and had a Pitts parked far away while in USAF SUPT. Others with less prior experience did better than I, which has long been the history.

Now I teach in part 121 sims and still fly the line and have a RV...

Sim time at 1000 hours will be a net nuetral to possibly negative until it has some positive application. You'll likely hit harder plateaus earlier in any ASEL course and may have to try more instructors than one to find the best match.

Sims work for compressing what cannot be done in the real aircraft in both time and money considerations.

If the RV10 had a part 121 world level sim, even that 1000 sim only might be net nuetral to slightly positive- flying is more about judgement than skill. There is no crash override, total freeze, reposition, flight freeze or position freeze in RL.

Grab an ACS for the PPL. Can you more quickly than average pass the PPL? Likely! So go do so, then build time and build on!
 
I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
 
I am in a similar position. Been dreaming of building (and flying) for years...decades. I finally have the financial means to step in, but with two young kids there is not enough time yet.

In the next 1 to 2 years I plan to get my ppl ahead of the build. I think the weekly time commitment of flying and slowly building time will be less than the build. Plan is to buy a piper or Cessna and train privately. The rental game looks tedious, and I want to accumulate a good few hundred hours before I start bringing my family along.

Once I have enough stick time to make an semi-informed choice, I'll shop around for an RV to buy while I build my own. I always dreamed of a 7, but I think family life will dictate a 10. Maybe buy the 10 and build the 7/14...

Still dreaming, but there is light at the end of the tunnel!
 
I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
You asked the forum for our thoughts. You got them. It sounds like your mind is made up, which is fine. Don’t get upset when you don’t hear the answer you want to hear.
 
Well all the advice is great, but I'm not exactly saddled with the no experience, I have over 1,000 hrs flight time in a flight simulator
And I have the "squeakers" down pat, I realize the insurance is going to be expensive at first, I still think I can do my dream here!

I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
It isn’t the airplane that is the issue; it is the pilot. You will be held to the same standard whether flying a 172 or an RV-10. Staying within the prescribed standards will be arguably easier and more consistent in the 172; things happen MUCH slower. For a student pilot, that is definitely a benefit.

Also. You will need to find an examiner willing to do a checkride in an EAB which may be difficult.

But hey, you have 1000’s of hours “flying” a flt sim; maybe they will just grant you your license…🤦
 
I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
How much seat time do you have?
 
I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
Not a single on of those reviews was written in your context.

You likely got a half dozen instructors, current in the RV breed, with 100k plus flight hours logged, including teaching zero time students hopping into Cubs to jets.

Do dare to dream, but reality is a great ground.

Got a medical?
 
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I'm not going to let anyone "HARSH MY MELLOW" I have read all the flight reviews I can find on the RV-10, By all accounts they talk about how relatively easy this airplane is to handle for such a high performance airplane!
And every one of these reviews was written by a LICENSED PILOT!
 
MOSAIC Rules for Sport Pilots

54-knot maximum clean stall speed
Gross weights up to about 3,000 pounds
Top speed of 250 knots
No more than one pilot and passenger at a time
Angle of attack indicators, envelope protection equipment, and moving maps are encouraged under MOSAIC Rules
Allowed to fly at night
Allow controllable-pitch propellers
Operate the more capable aircraft with appropriate training and instructor endorsements
Qualified pilots to fly under IFR in instrument conditions
Only 20 hours of flight training to receive Sport Pilots License
Ruling expected by the end of the year 2024 or early 2025

Well look at that I could learn to fly in a RV -10 for 20 of hours training for my Sport Pilots License, and then fly my hours to receive my Private Pilots License !
The RV-10 clean stall speed is approx 64 kts. So unless the proposed Mosaic rules are revised, the RV-10 doesn't qualify.
 
I was not aware that the clean stall speed was so high, my bad, oh well, I still think I can learn to fly in my RV-10
 
I was not aware that the clean stall speed was so high, my bad, oh well, I still think I can learn to fly in my RV-10
Are you willing to fly without insurance because with zero time it won’t just be uber expensive, you are most likely uninsurable.

Oh and make sure you can pass a Class III medical before you embark on this adventure or it’s DOA.
 
I was not aware that the clean stall speed was so high, my bad, oh well, I still think I can learn to fly in my RV-10
Not trying to be rude here but it takes a ton of time to build a plane. The best advice I can think of is to spend ALL of your free time building. The more time you spend here debating things, the longer it will take to realize your dream.

All of this time trying to convince us of your plan is just delaying your build. You got plenty of opinions. Build on, and do what you think is best when the plane is completed.
 
Are you willing to fly without insurance because with zero time it won’t just be uber expensive, you are most likely uninsurable.

Oh and make sure you can pass a Class III medical before you embark on this adventure or it’s DOA.
I always tell those who have never flown before to go get a first class medical. If you ever plan on getting paid to fly, and before you spend a dime training or studying for a test, know that you can pass a first class medical.

If you can’t, there are plenty of other ways to throw money away. Most of them cheaper too.
 
While all of the pilots are trying to tell you what you can’t do…. I think if you have the money and patience to build your plane, you will be able to hire an instructor to help you learn to fly it. Might take you a bit longer than some… but it’s not really that hard. Easy concepts to master in the big picture.

In many cases I’d rather teach someone starting with a clean sheet, rather than all the bad habits that many learn elsewhere.

A diligent student with a goal is a joy to help. And yeah… a -10 is easy to fly, as are all of and designs.

Hire a good instructor, be true to your goals
And tuck your ego at the door.

Your flight sim time is worthless. Doesn’t teach you jack squat, other than to sit on a chair.

All the rest is gonna take you a good while and it will be harder and slower for you to uptake. But if you’re up to the task, then just do it.

I personally think it will be humbling and frustrating for you at times. Only you can decide if it’s worth the hassle.

My nephew flew simulators for 7 years and could point out ever single knob, instrument and button… thought he could do loops and rolls and Cubans and all that fun… 20 minutes later back on the ground he learned that the real world is notably different than the sim. Pretty sure he still has the puke stained shirt to prove it.

You’ll figure out what works for you, real quick.


S.
 
Wow, what an interesting threat. . . . I'll give you my thought like all other's comments, it's worth what you paid for it. You will do what you want based on what life brings your way.
I have seen people around the airport with somewhat similar situation with a lot time behind a home based simulator and some even have lots of experience in the RC world who have built beautiful RC airplanes and want to get into "real flying". Of course this is doable, and your knowledge of flight, airplanes, avionics, systems, knobs, etc. will certainly put you leaps and bounds ahead of a brand new student. You will learn faster and understand the systems much easier than a brand new student... but it's all about learning.
Getting back to your original question, you can 100% do it. I don't know many RV10 builders that have finished in under 2 years and most are 3+ years of building and some upwards of 5 years. That is long time to DEDICATE yourself to building and learning to fly. If you are being true to yourself and want to stay alive flying your RV10, you should start learning to fly and continue your education until your RV10 is built and long after. Many of the folks that have commented above have years of flying experience and thousands of hours behind the stick and still learn each and every time they (we) fly.

Are you that type of person to dedicate yourself to it ? Only you can answer that. The general population is not and will most likely give up after a few years and sell their kit. But, don't let anyone tell you that you can't learn to fly in a certain type of airplane. I learned to fly in a Cessna 310 Twin engine airplane, often referred to as " a man's plane" (not my words). With that said, after 13 years of flying the 310, I learned more about flying in the first year of owning my RV7 than I had in the previous 13 years (that's another story).

It's all about learning each and every day and when you get in that cockpit and unfortunately the simulator won't give you that experience.

So after all that rambling that I just did, what would I do after almost 30 years of flying. Exactly what everyone else is telling you above. Go get your license, get 500 hours and then decide. I think most if not all of the advice above are trying to give you pointers on how to proceed with minimal risk of financial loss and risk to your life.

So can it be done ? Absofreakinglutely !
 
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But, don't let anyone tell you that you can't learn to fly in a certain type of airplane. I learned to fly in a Cessna 310 Twin engine airplane, often referred to as " a man's plane" (not my words).
Holy Sky King! Your first solo flight was in a 310?!? I hope you got a swaggering photo afterwards!!!

Totally out of the question these days insurance-wise, I would think. Might be fun to ask a broker just to see the look on their face.

I wonder if it would be possible to find an instructor who would sign off an initial PPL student for a solo in a 310. Hard enough to get that in a taildragger.
 
I have a confession to make, I'm not currently a pilot, my intention is to build my RV-10, have someone fly off the 40 hrs of time and then learn to fly
in it, what do you think about that?
Probably not the most efficient* way to get into aviation, but I don’t see anything dangerous with the plan. The 10 is an easy airplane to fly - certainly less challenging than the Cirrus - and plenty of those are used as primary trainers.

*I mention efficiency because it is the rare student who actually knows what they want BEFORE starting to fly. I had all kinds of ideas about my mission before getting the ticket - but that changed quickly once I started flying in the real world.
 
Probably not the most efficient* way to get into aviation, but I don’t see anything dangerous with the plan. The 10 is an easy airplane to fly - certainly less challenging than the Cirrus - and plenty of those are used as primary trainers.

*I mention efficiency because it is the rare student who actually knows what they want BEFORE starting to fly. I had all kinds of ideas about my mission before getting the ticket - but that changed quickly once I started flying in the real world.
“The -10 is an easy airplane to fly…”

While I would agree with you, what is your frame of reference? It may be easy for you based on your experience but that isn’t the point; put yourself in the shoes of a guy that has zero time… and no, flt sim isn’t worth much, in fact, it can be a negative.

The -10 is a fast and slippery airplane. Not the greatest combination for a new student. Can it be done? Sure. Are there better options? Absolutely.
 
Do you want to learn to fly or just be able to pilot an airplane? These are two different things in my book. I see pilots all the time that have never learned to fly, but they do just fine getting from point a to b.
Some of the worst pilots I ever flew with were CFI’s. I have also flown with some excellent CFI,s and some relatively new pilots who had inherently good stick and rudder skills with very little formal training.
Follow the advice given here and try to become a pilot, not just someone who can get an airplane from point a to be….
I soloed and got my ticket in a 150. I learned to fly in a ‘42 Aeronca L3.
 
Not a bad concept, Cirrus TRAK SR22 ab initio, but I don't know if they teach unless you are going to instruct or move on to an airline gig they pipeline.

It would lower your RV10 insurance, or make it even possible.

It would cost more than most local programs and you likely have to hit pause on life to go there.

I think it's more of a celebrity bankrole plan, but they don't have a plan or dream to build their plane.

Get a Class III medical or better BEFORE you read an insurance quote for your plan.

EAB instruction is tough enough to find, for those ready.
 
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