oaklandaviator
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I will be visiting Garmin and Foreflight today to decide which one to get. I’ll tell everyone I to steer clear of FlyQ. Done with them. Visited their booth at Oshkosh also.
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Fly Q lifetime - new definition of lifetime subscription
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Phyrcooler
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Interesting theory. I’d be inclined to get a second opinion from a different law firm. But I’m no lawyer. However, I’d be curious to hear Dynon’s take on this, and their relationship with Seattle Avionics. If SA steps on themselves badly enough, it could impact Dynon’s use of their product. At least Dynon has a second provider in Airmate, though I hear it’s not as complete as SA’s offering. Maybe this will give a leg-up to Airmate’s development footprint.
For those individuals who are currently at OSH, ask the folks at Seattle Avionics booth if they will give a full refund for a lifetime subscription, to those individuals who already have it. We could just "opt out". That would be another option, that is not mentioned in their email.
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Lkitson
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I've been using SA for Skyview chart data too but I'm on a yearly subscription. After reading what they're doing to FlyQ Lifetime customers I'm planning to drop my subscription with them when it expires in October and switch to charts from Airmate.Aero (which is also significantly cheaper that SA), so this decision cost them my business.
I think that you might find that since you didn't purchase the lifetime subscription though Apple, they're not too interested in supporting your complaint
I just stopped by their booth in Oshkosh and voiced my disapproval to Shawn Mechelke.
He said that most of their subscribers are lifetime subscribers who don’t generate monthly income for them. They are losing 3 million dollars/year.
Hence, they’re looking for any way to generate more monthly income so they don’t fall by the wayside.
Based on our feedback, they are going to extend the 1 year subscription to the 6.9.1 but haven’t announced it yet. Shawn stated that at some point they would stop updating 6.9.1. I tried to explain to him the foolishness of this…coming out with a different version for the lifers to use rather than focus his effort on one version.
They have already factored in the face they’ll lose 1/2 of us. I told him that reneging on our lifetime subscription would not only alienate us, but we in the aviation community are their best marketers. I asked him, “Do you honestly think we are going to give them a good review after they reneged on their business deal?”
I made it clear that to me and many others, integrity matters. Bottom line, he doesn’t care. Shawn shrugged his shoulders and made it very clear that integrity and honesty are NOT part of his business plan. I’d suggest that everyone bombard them with emails. If they refuse to answer, then bombard their FB posts with your opinions.
He said that most of their subscribers are lifetime subscribers who don’t generate monthly income for them. They are losing 3 million dollars/year.
Hence, they’re looking for any way to generate more monthly income so they don’t fall by the wayside.
Based on our feedback, they are going to extend the 1 year subscription to the 6.9.1 but haven’t announced it yet. Shawn stated that at some point they would stop updating 6.9.1. I tried to explain to him the foolishness of this…coming out with a different version for the lifers to use rather than focus his effort on one version.
They have already factored in the face they’ll lose 1/2 of us. I told him that reneging on our lifetime subscription would not only alienate us, but we in the aviation community are their best marketers. I asked him, “Do you honestly think we are going to give them a good review after they reneged on their business deal?”
I made it clear that to me and many others, integrity matters. Bottom line, he doesn’t care. Shawn shrugged his shoulders and made it very clear that integrity and honesty are NOT part of his business plan. I’d suggest that everyone bombard them with emails. If they refuse to answer, then bombard their FB posts with your opinions.
What you need to do, is find out if his state (WA) has ‘truth in advertising’ laws. Most states do. Complain to the state attorney general, see what happens. Of course, guys like this will try to dump all their stock first, then head to bankruptcy court. It’s the way these guys operate these days.
With a CEO with an attitude like what is described above I think the company will be heading to bankruptcy sooner rather than later. I would imagine most of their users are general aviation people like us and not big flying companies. This is a small community and word gets around fast. You can’t treat people like crap and expect to stay in business when you have a pretty limited customer base. If I worked for them I would be looking for a new job.
It would have served them best to make their current version more user friendly and not try to be “cutting edge”. Most of us don’t need a lot of fancy add ons in the app.
It would have served them best to make their current version more user friendly and not try to be “cutting edge”. Most of us don’t need a lot of fancy add ons in the app.
I guess there's no honor and commitment in business in the Aviation world. I am a Fly Q user but I have an annual subscription. I think a move like that is Unwise [ed. removed one sentence that violated the posting rules (IMHO) v/r,dr].
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This will likely be a disaster for Seattle Avionics. Note this email I received from AOPA this morning.
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- Purchase an iFlightPlanner Membership: Save 20% as an AOPA Member.
- Submit Proof of Your Current EFB Subscription and Expiration: Email a screenshot to [email protected].
- Receive the Remaining Time on Your Current Subscription: We'll add up to 1 full year to your new iFlightPlanner membership.
AOPA MEMBERS SAVE AN ADDITIONAL 20%
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Brantel
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Times how many subscribers?
There is not enough money in this to interest a lawyer on a contingency basis.
Sam Buchanan
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Well, we have veered off into legal weeds and that is where the VAF rules put an end to the thread. Closed.
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