Newly Announced Dynon Avionics for RV-12?

[Stuart Grant]

I had planned on ordering avionics for my RV-12 kit about 6-months ago but other critical factors have intervened and so I can wait a bit. Wondering if RV-12 builders would prefer a new 12-inch Dynon display rather than a 10-inch and perhaps other announced upgraded Dynon gear. I wonder if Van's will offer the "improved" stuff in the foreseeable future. I plan to use a single display, so bigger, more sunlight readable, is better. If it will fit.

 

[daveyator]

I think the 12 inch display would be a bit of a squeeze on the RV12 panel. The 10 inch is awfully close to the canopy frame. Who knows, they may find a way to get it in there.
Cheers DaveH

 

[N8DAV8R]

I had planned on ordering avionics for my RV-12 kit about 6-months ago but other critical factors have intervened and so I can wait a bit. Wondering if RV-12 builders would prefer a new 12-inch Dynon display rather than a 10-inch and perhaps other announced upgraded Dynon gear. I wonder if Van's will offer the "improved" stuff in the foreseeable future. I plan to use a single display, so bigger, more sunlight readable, is better. If it will fit.

It seems like the extra screen space would be nice to have, and in the context of most builds it's an easy enough change to accommodate. It will be interesting to watch for an update to the kit, but I wouldn't expect it any time soon. They seem to take the ASTM process further and more seriously than other E-LSA kit providers. Total speculation, but I would not think they currently have the bandwidth to document and approve a design change that would have a relatively low return. Hopefully I'm way off and you Dynon guys get the big screen option.

 

[Brantel]

I think the 12 inch display would be a bit of a squeeze on the RV12 panel. The 10 inch is awfully close to the canopy frame. Who knows, they may find a way to get it in there.
Cheers DaveH

Yeah, The Garmin screens typically hit the canopy frame and the corner needs tweaked. If the Dynon is any bigger than the Garmin it is going to be a much bigger deal to upgrade.

 

[rv12iS-builder]

Yeah, The Garmin screens typically hit the canopy frame and the corner needs tweaked. If the Dynon is any bigger than the Garmin it is going to be a much bigger deal to upgrade.

Does the Garmin G3X sceen on the left side of the panel hit the canopy frame? I've only heard of the G3X screen on the right side hitting the frame. Do the 10-inch Dynon screens clear the canopy frame on both sides?

 

[Baron71]

I inquired with advanced panel to check for alternative panels. They answered on a request of mine, after I saw on YouTube that they are developing a panel for the AF-6600.
There reply was: “Why that matters for an RV-12 is the panel size, which does not easily fit an AF-6600without substantial modification to the panel and support structure. We are building an RV12 in our shop right now, and are experimenting with modifications that would support a pair of AF-6600s, but that is not complete yet.”
While that doesn’t quite answer your question, I guess to put the 12” panel in the center would require even more changes to the support structure.

For me I am now considering options of the two skyviews and putting an iPad in the center. Hoping I can swap the IC and AP panel with the circuit breakers in column below. That would just leave the radio up in the center panel, which I hope to control from the two HDX.

 

[Brantel]

Does the Garmin G3X sceen on the left side of the panel hit the canopy frame? I've only heard of the G3X screen on the right side hitting the frame. Do the 10-inch Dynon screens clear the canopy frame on both sides?

Not sure about the left side on Garmin. The panel looks symmetrical as far as the screens go when I look at the drawing. I have not heard of this problem on either side with the Dynon 10”.

 

[JwWright57]

My preference would be 2 7 inch side by side. One for the instruments and one for just the map

 

[12vaitor]

I have already completed a study to see about replacing my SV-D1000 with the 12" HDX and you can make it fit with surgery and panel rearrangement. The biggest change will be cutting a relief in the F-1202B Panel Base to clear the case depth of the 12" HDX. That will require a reinforcing bracket to be added to keep the front of the panel base stiff between the longerons. I previously added a 1" AL angle about 6" behind the front edge of the panel base that runs from L-longeron to R-longeron as additional bracing for my IFD-540 navigator (11 lbs). You will also need to go to a one-piece panel because the center radio stack has to move to the right about an inch.

Here is a dwg file if you want to play with 12" HDX and RV-12 panel designs: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13aDt8A6C2GUyMCfnS9QDZpAqCUjmutku/view?usp=drive_link

The lower portion of the HDX is angled out from the panel, so the 2D drawing can be a bit misleading as it projects forward of the panel base (stick clearance is not an issue). You will have to move the radio stack to the right, the F-1202JL/R instrument stack supports should be usable. I was also contemplating adding a Garmin D5 on the right side, which is where I currently have an iPad Mini mounted.

John Salak
RV-12 N896HS

 

[sc_pilot]

I have already completed a study to see about replacing my SV-D1000 with the 12" HDX and you can make it fit with surgery and panel rearrangement. The biggest change will be cutting a relief in the F-1202B Panel Base to clear the case depth of the 12" HDX. That will require a reinforcing bracket to be added to keep the front of the panel base stiff between the longerons. I previously added a 1" AL angle about 6" behind the front edge of the panel base that runs from L-longeron to R-longeron as additional bracing for my IFD-540 navigator (11 lbs). You will also need to go to a one-piece panel because the center radio stack has to move to the right about an inch.

Here is a dwg file if you want to play with 12" HDX and RV-12 panel designs: https://drive.google.com/file/d/13aDt8A6C2GUyMCfnS9QDZpAqCUjmutku/view?usp=drive_link

The lower portion of the HDX is angled out from the panel, so the 2D drawing can be a bit misleading as it projects forward of the panel base (stick clearance is not an issue). You will have to move the radio stack to the right, the F-1202JL/R instrument stack supports should be usable. I was also contemplating adding a Garmin D5 on the right side, which is where I currently have an iPad Mini mounted.

John Salak
RV-12 N896HS

I sent a request for your drive file. I looked into the 12” hdx on my eab build and thought it might be doable but that was with some sloppy measuring on my part.i figured down and to the right about 1” would make it

Thanks got it

 

[DaveWelch]

I had planned on ordering avionics for my RV-12 kit about 6-months ago but other critical factors have intervened and so I can wait a bit. Wondering if RV-12 builders would prefer a new 12-inch Dynon display rather than a 10-inch and perhaps other announced upgraded Dynon gear. I wonder if Van's will offer the "improved" stuff in the foreseeable future. I plan to use a single display, so bigger, more sunlight readable, is better. If it will fit.

Stuart,
I could be wrong, but I suspect you'd be going EAB rather than ELSA if you make changes to accommodate the 12" screen unless Van's issues a letter that approves it.
Dave

 

[Stuart Grant]

Stuart,
I could be wrong, but I suspect you'd be going EAB rather than ELSA if you make changes to accommodate the 12" screen unless Van's issues a letter that approves it.
Dave

Hi Dave,

I intend to do ELSA airworthiness certification but was wondering if Van's might make changes to the approved Dynon avionics package.
Based on John Salek's drawing (see his Aug. 2 posting above, Thank you John!) the 12-inch will not fit without lots of panel changes.
The RV-12 design has been upgraded and improved a lot since 2008 but I agree with Nate that making changes for just-announced avionics through the ASTM process is likely to take at least a couple of years, not 6-8 months which is my time frame.