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Old 11-05-2017, 08:28 AM
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Pictures can be very deceiving! .
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:21 AM
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The most critical basics: (I'd want this in "simple mode")

- A positive horizon line for orientation whilst through obscured horizon
- AoA (when bellow 2x stall)
- "All Green" - No Master warning from ECAM
I'm a really big fan of the "boresight"/waterline indicator and velocity vector display. Add an AOA bracket that's fixed relative to pitch, but drifts with the VV for wind, and you have an excellent tool that shows the relationship between AOA and flight condition better than anything else.

Several military aircraft use that system on the HUD for landing. Good explanation here: http://www.f-16.net/forum/viewtopic.php?t=14493

I've only used it in PC sims but it's incredibly intuitive, once you see it.


In general, though, I'm not interested in a HUD unless it is truly focused at infinity. I've used pseudo-HUDs in cars (both factory installed and portable) and they just don't do it. I'd rather just have a small box there with a real display.
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Old 11-05-2017, 09:46 AM
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I want to get this thread back on track... I found this picture on google image search, but I couldn't get access to the site. Anyone know what it is?



Ok... so let's say we can make a semi-transparent display that shows nicely at night and daylight. What should really be on it?

Before I get started, I have dual G3X in my RV-4 now, it is very effective at displaying all information. So I may take a minimal approach to the HUD becauese I have a robust heads-down alternative.

That said; I don't want to waste this very important "eyes outside" space on things that don't matter. So it should be only what I want to see outside.

The most critical basics: (I'd want this in "simple mode")

- A positive horizon line for orientation whilst through obscured horizon
- AoA (when bellow 2x stall)
- "All Green" - No Master warning from ECAM

Less important (Other "stuff" which I'd like to play with to see if it adds value or just clutters)

- CDI
- COM Freq and Station
- TX signal
- Altitude
- Airspeed
- Heading

It's Don McNamara's old "Smokey" you can ask him directly.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:00 AM
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Thread drift... I want to know more about that throttle handle...
That comes from Thrustmaster FLCS system / PC gaming throttle controller . It looks like the stick grip is also part of the Thrustmaster system. I had one when I was a kid.

On the HUD front. A local Annapolis company is *working* on one, but I'm not sure what the status is:

https://epicoptix.com/epic-eagle/
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:23 PM
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RV-8 N8RV "Smokey" by Don McNamara

http://rv-nation.blogspot.com/2013/0...have-seen.html

It would appear he took a Thrustmaster FQRS, chopped it off the base and slapped it onto a standard throttle quadrant. It's pretty interesting, but at some point I'm not playing an organ, I'm flying a plane. Great he can start the engine from the stick, but he can't set prop or mixture without letting go. All the same, hat [switches] off to Don.

The product is discontinued, but you can still find them used.

http://www.thrustmaster.com/en_US/products/hotas-cougar
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:34 PM
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It is a copy of a Viper throttle. BTW, operating it is called playing the piccolo.
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Old 11-05-2017, 10:36 PM
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I would Google F-18 and F-16 HUD pictures, and delete stuff you don't think you need.The F-18 HUD was originally designed as the primary flight instrument, and certified as such. The F-16 was not. PFD displays ended up going with the scales/tapes for altitude and airspeed, vs the digital boxes the the F-18 used. I prefer the less cluttered digital AS and ALT for a HUD, but it is easy to blow through an altitude when climbing at 8 or 10K feet/min. The digits for altitude are a blur. For instrument flight the scales are better than digits.

I might try a cheap HUD myself.

Yeah interesting picture. I am guessing the red "pickle" button is a PTT, but I am wondering what he uses the "G-override" lever for on the lower portion of the stick. LOL

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Old 11-07-2017, 06:11 AM
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So this is minimalist, The "pitch director" is something I made up. At large Alpha it's an AoA, in a climb it directs pitch for a climb airspeed (100kts or whatever), in cruise it uses a single bar to directs you to pitch for the next 500' increment in cruise and switches to AoA as that gets large. It is consistent that that the arrows tell you which way to push the stick.
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Old 11-07-2017, 07:08 AM
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Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Look at your video games and see what was invented 50 years ago for the HUD. I have been flying with a HUD for over 45 years and they work.

If you have a FPM to present, use it. Don't try to make some kind of combination pitch indicator/AOA.

There is a good reason the symboligy used in the first fully integrated nav/weapons delivery system is still being used today. in both Military and civilian systems.

The symbols, their placement and function work.
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Old 11-07-2017, 10:37 AM
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Don't try to reinvent the wheel. Look at your video games and see what was invented 50 years ago for the HUD. I have been flying with a HUD for over 45 years and they work.

If you have a FPM to present, use it. Don't try to make some kind of combination pitch indicator/AOA.

There is a good reason the symboligy used in the first fully integrated nav/weapons delivery system is still being used today. in both Military and civilian systems.

The symbols, their placement and function work.
On target. I'm partial to the Viper HUD, but I just want to see any HUD right now!
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