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Trim via GSA28 not via motor

eld

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How to connect switch trim to GSA28 pitch trim ?

If I understand correctly, pins 11 and 12 are used to control an external motor.

So how do I control the GSA28 for trimming when the autopilot is not in use?
 
As far as I know you can't. You can't have one GSA28 serve multiple purposes (as a primary flight control autopilot servo AND a trim servo). You can't use a GSA28 installed as an A/P servo as a trim servo because that would require the servo be under constant load which isn't how they're meant to be used. To use a GSA28 as a trim servo requires the installation be done in a way that the servo doesn't directly experience flight loads (I.E. adjusting a jackscrew). To do what I think it is you're wanting, you need to install a separate electric trim such as a Ray Allen trim system, then you'd have the option to wire it though your pitch GSA28 (which I'd highly advise you do) which adds a lot of capability, it 1) allows your autopilot to automatically re-trim for speed changes to unload the pitch servo 2) adds an A/P disconnect function if you attempt to manually trim while the A/P is engaged 3) allows you to use your A/P disconnect switch (if installed) to stop a runaway trim situation regardless of the A/P being on or off.
 
In that case, I don't understand why Garmin published this diagram.
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My intention is to do it with two servos, one for pitch and one for pitch trim (as shown in the diagram).
 
There are plenty of certified installations where you can add a GSA28 for electric trim as part of an autopilot system, but all those are installed in a cable driven trim system, where a cable loop turns a jackscrew to adjust the trim tab, and the servo is just integrated into the existing cable loop with a bridle cable. In a system like this the servo is isolated from flight loads. I've never seen an RV with a cable driven pitch trim (not impossible just incredibly rare), 99% of them have a Ray Allen trim system, or the older ones with manual trim have the vernier cable.
 
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The attached is from Garmin on how to have GSA 28 control trim motors via switch input or Autopilot input.
I made my switch from relays, but am working on a smaller design using transisters.
 

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The attached is from Garmin on how to have GSA 28 control trim motors via switch input or Autopilot input.
I made my switch from relays, but am working on a smaller design using transisters.
Me too. I’d be interested in your transistor design :)
 
Tanks for your replay,
I understand your comments; I implemented it myself in the way you described. I simply added a small electronic component to avoid putting all the power into the trim control switch when the autopilot isn't in use.

My question today, regarding this method of using a GSA28 in trim mode, concerns a friend's aircraft (not an RV) which has cable control (so the servo is isolated from flight loads).

I haven't found anything in the Garmin documentation about how to connect the trim control switch via the GSA28, without a motor behind the GSA.
 
You'll want to connect your trim switch to both the primary autopilot servo as well as the trim servo. There's a brief mention of this in section 16.1:

For manual electric trim, trim inputs from the stick or relay should be wired directly to the GSA 28 being used as the trim actuator, as well as the main autopilot servo for that axis.

Note to RV builders: The type of installation being discussed here is not applicable to any RV - just amplifying that for clarity.
 
OK, thanks for the good page,
Garmin can add a drawing for more clarity for connection switchs to 2 servos ;)

because in this mode, the switch no longer appears to be a bipolar inverter, but just a simple up and a down switch
 
You'll want to connect your trim switch to both the primary autopilot servo as well as the trim servo. There's a brief mention of this in section 16.1:



Note to RV builders: The type of installation being discussed here is not applicable to any RV - just amplifying that for clarity.
Does this mean the ray Allen servo is wired in parallel to the trim switch/relay and the GSA28 pitch servo? I've seen a steinair diagram showing only the connection to the GSA28
 
OK, thanks for the good page,
Garmin can add a drawing for more clarity for connection switchs to 2 servos ;)

because in this mode, the switch no longer appears to be a bipolar inverter, but just a simple up and a down switch

No, you still need a DPDT switch here:

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Does this mean the ray Allen servo is wired in parallel to the trim switch/relay and the GSA28 pitch servo? I've seen a steinair diagram showing only the connection to the GSA28

No, this has nothing to do with a DC trim motor. This is in reference to using a second GSA 28 with a capstan drive to actuate a cable-driven trim system, which has nothing to do with any RV application.
 
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