Will you accept pictures showing where cable ties have worn through the powder coat? I'm removing all cable ties FWF that bear directly on my engine mount, and will be replacing them either with Adel clamps or at the very least a wrap of self-vulcanizing rubber or silicone tape before a new tie-wrap goes on.But??. If you have any proof, please show it here and I will eat a broom (typical Dutch saying)
Tony,......I don't like the fact that they are not as strong as Adel clamps........
Is there an actual need for the normal wires to be stood off the mount? Obviously the steel braided wires should be kept away from the mount, but I'm wondering if it would be acceptable to wrap the mount tube with 2 wraps of silicone rescue tape, then wrap the wire bundle with the same piece of tape directly to the tube (with the 2 passes of tape between teh tube and wires). Do this every 3" or so, and I would think you would have a tidy, secure wire run that would give you maximum access to other areas. Thoughts?
That statement makes absolutely no sense to me. According to those judging standards, Lycoming has been wantonly violating FAA regs for years because the hardware bag it includes with each new engine purchase contains a generous number of zip ties. A few zip ties are even installed on the shipped engine. Are we to suppose those judges more technically informed than Lycoming?......I was told by judges that having zip ties firewall forward was against FAA regs........
Okay, okay, enough already... Here are photos of mine... Taken during the swap to Adel clamps. The ones I couldn't swap I changed to a combination of a sacrificial electrical tape layer plus a new zip tie on top:So far I have seen certified engines with Zip-ties, I have seen certified aircraft with zip-ties, but still no pictures of the claimed damages!!!
You're right, but the catch is noticing that there's a problem. Two of the ties I removed were snug and wouldn't move by hand, but one had rust under it that wasn't visible until the tie was removed. The other had exposed metal, and some oil. Neither the metal nor the oil were visible until the tie-wraps were removed to check.If someone lets anything go long enough to saw through the powder coating or paint, then long enough to actually saw into the steel, shame on them....
Nope, there were no Adel clamps on my engine mount before I bought the airframe. I removed the tie wraps, and installed Adel clamps. Tie wraps were (as far as I know) original, and the airplane has approximately 500 hours on it.Finally some proof! How many hrs.? You obviously removed the adel clamps to check under there as well, right??!! Any damage under them?
I would bet they are also "cholesterol free".I like how they were careful to add "UV Resistant" to the stainless steel cable ties. Maybe they should put "corrosion resistant" on the Nylon ones.
Is no one else amazed that a simple topic like zip-ties could spawn a thread with 72 posts ?!? (now 73!) Talk about a topic with legs ...
Rivethead, you seeing it is not enough! Still awaiting proof!
Regards, Tonny.
I use these ones on my engine mount tubes on my RV4:
https://griplockties.com/
I camped next to the inventors at Airventure 2019. That’s the first I had heard of them. He gave me a couple to try. I ended up buying a couple bags in different sizes. The red silicone rubber protects the mount tube, and they are high temp. You can also release them until you get everything right where you want it and cut the tail off.
I use these ones on my engine mount tubes on my RV4:
https://griplockties.com/
I camped next to the inventors at Airventure 2019. That’s the first I had heard of them. He gave me a couple to try. I ended up buying a couple bags in different sizes. The red silicone rubber protects the mount tube, and they are high temp. You can also release them until you get everything right where you want it and cut the tail off.
Actually Creighton King is the inventor but the Patey brothers invested in him and created the company. Absolutely great product and even better people to buy from.
I have a drawer-full of them too. Excellent product, I agree. They are available on Amazon.... https://www.amazon.com/s?k=griptie&ref=nb_sb_noss_2