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The dreaded yellow airplane returns

Looks like the culprit has been identified!

Didn’t have time to panel dive to unplug the GRT GPS antenna, but when I shielded it with some aluminum foil the problem went away - then returned with a vengeance when I removed the foil.

Rv detective 1. Electrical gremlins 0. 😃
 
Anyone have ideas for a replacement antenna?

It’s got to have an MCX plug and run on 3 to 5 volts. This seems to describe an ocean of cheap GPS antennas, many of which are available for under $10. GRT wants $25 for theirs, and since I’ve had one bad experience with whatever they’re using, I was thinking I’d source my own.

Is there a known high-quality manufacturer of these gadgets? Failing that, I’m literally pondering just finding the most expensive one available, possibly intended for marine use, and hoping that equates to quality.

I could also be overthinking this in response to a unicorn problem that won’t likely happen again. 🤣
 
I could also be overthinking this in response to a unicorn problem that won’t likely happen again. 🤣
That is my read. I believe even garmin has had this issue. I don't see it as a Quality issue, just bad luck. Though I would not just pick the cheapest on the web to replace it. My GRT was shipped with a branded ant, not off shore junk.
 
That is my read. I believe even garmin has had this issue. I don't see it as a Quality issue, just bad luck. Though I would not just pick the cheapest on the web to replace it. My GRT was shipped with a branded ant, not off shore junk.
Yes, my sleuthing indicated that Garmin definitely had this issue. Apparently early GA 35s would occasionally be damaged during installation (the bottom plate would crack?) and they would then become quite effective jammers.
 
Anyone have ideas for a replacement antenna?

It’s got to have an MCX plug and run on 3 to 5 volts. This seems to describe an ocean of cheap GPS antennas, many of which are available for under $10. GRT wants $25 for theirs, and since I’ve had one bad experience with whatever they’re using, I was thinking I’d source my own.

Is there a known high-quality manufacturer of these gadgets? Failing that, I’m literally pondering just finding the most expensive one available, possibly intended for marine use, and hoping that equates to quality.

I could also be overthinking this in response to a unicorn problem that won’t likely happen again. 🤣
No no no. Do not pick a random antenna. Unlike, say, a glide slope antenna (where a coat hangar probably works) these GPS antennas are looking at incredibly weak signals. The whole reason they get dc power is so a pre-amp can be built into the antenna, reducing noise problems from unwanted pickup in the coax. Know of any other system that goes to these extremes? Your antenna not only has to have the right plug, and use the same voltage, but the gain must be matched to the (GRT in this case) receiver. Enough for a good signal, but not so much that overload and stray signal rejection becomes an issue. These things are so finicky that my Garmin 430W specifies a minimum coax length or other signal loss thing (because the pre-amp gain turned out to be a tad high.) So: look not only for the required power and plug type, but also similar gain characteristics, to the OEM antenna. Honestly, for $25, I’d just buy the identical replacement from GRT. Do remember that these preamps are solid state devices which have some sensitivity to heat. Use a sunscreen if parked in the sun, and make sure no heating vents direct hot air at it.
 
The whole reason they get dc power is so a pre-amp can be built into the antenna, reducing noise problems from unwanted pickup in the coax. Know of any other system that goes to these extremes?
Even the best LNAs inevitably add noise and degrade the signal from the antenna, while they attempt to compensate for the loss in the coax. For short cable runs it's possible that a passive antenna will work just fine. If the passive antenna works with GRT that would be my choice. Some GPS receivers measure DC resistance to confirm the active antenna is plugged in, but they can be tricked sometimes by adding a resistor between the shield and inner conductor. May worth asking GRT if a passive antenna is acceptable. If the interference continues it could be the GRT unit itself is transmitting. just 2 cents worth :)
 
Just to close the loop on this for future reference, I am back in action with multiple GPSs.

GRT said they had never seen this problem. They have replacement antennas for sale but they also said basically any 3-5 volt MCX antenna will work.

They approved my alternative plan: my plane has an unused Garmin GA 55 that I’ve now connected to the Horizon EX using a Garmin MCX to BNC adapter. I left a portion of the antenna cable accessible from the cockpit so that I can snip it with my multitool if it ever tries this stunt again. 🤣

Many thanks for all the help! Imagine having to troubleshoot and fix this problem with an avionic$ $hop.
 
Is it really that hard to jam a GPS? I have 3 el cheapo amazon usb outlets in the plane, and at least 2 quick and dirty 12v-5v "arduino project" style circuits behind the panel for a bluetooth receiver (music) and headset power. never an issue in 12 years. multiple gps from expensive (650) to cheap ipad/phone.

gps signals include all sorts of multiple error detection and correction features built it. I would expect it very difficult to selectively jam Gps signals without simply blanketing wide swaths of the spectrum with significant noise - enough that I would expect to hear it.
 
I am reminded of a saying I heard very early in my EE career: "Ill-gotten gain oscillates." In this context, there may be an unintentional feedback path from the output to the input of the active antenna's amplifier that turns the amplifier into the gain stage of an oscillator. Maybe some crud got in there?
 
gps signals include all sorts of multiple error detection and correction features built it. I would expect it very difficult to selectively jam Gps signals without simply blanketing wide swaths of the spectrum with significant noise - enough that I would expect to hear it.
It can’t be that hard to do if I accomplished it. 🤣

I also assumed it would take super nasty powerful radiating interference to take out GPSs, but apparently not. I heard nothing on any other gadget — installed radios, headsets, audio panel all worked normally, and turning on the GPSs didn’t cause the squelch on my handheld to break when I tried that trick.

I think the main problems are (1) GPS signals are very very weak and (2) when your powered GPS antenna goes rogue, it’s putting out (relatively) powerful interference at the worst possible frequency.

But I am no expert, for sure.
 
I am reminded of a saying I heard very early in my EE career: "Ill-gotten gain oscillates." In this context, there may be an unintentional feedback path from the output to the input of the active antenna's amplifier that turns the amplifier into the gain stage of an oscillator. Maybe some crud got in there?
Possibly! My theory is that the antenna was damaged by heat (it’s black and lived on my black glareshield right under the plexi). Who knows.
 
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