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Support/Mentorship Options for RV-6a Project

JaradMc

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My father was looking to complete an RV-6a build by the summer of 2020. His project was unfortunately delayed indefinitely due to him passing away from a car crash on November 6th, 2019. This has continued to be hard for my mom, brother, sister and I as we were not able to make it to the hospital he was air lifted to in time to say bye before he had passed. Along with all the other family responsibilities to take care of, my mom had left my brother and I his project to "manage".

Over the past 5 years we have gone back and forth trying to determine how we should proceed with the project. The question has come up wondering if we should sell the remaining project as is or try and finish it ourselves. My brother has finished college during this time and currently lives a couple hours away. My wife and I have moved closer to my mother to help out with odds and ends as she still lives in our family home alone now. I have a young family with my wife which has kept us both very busy. I personally feel a lot of sentimental value toward the project and would love to finish it in his memory.

At the time of his passing, he had the Lycoming O-360 on order from VANS and I continued through with receiving it to not lose out on the deposit that was placed for the order. To help keep myself invested in believing I will one day complete the project, I decided to work toward getting my pilots license. I can proudly say I have received my PPL on August 12, 2021 and have no regrets as the feeling and joy of flying is inexpiable.

I have been storing the project in a T-hanger but have not been able to get passed how daunting taking on something like this is. I had helped him out sparingly throughout the project under his guidance but getting this handed to me as a "whole" is very overwhelming. I see why VANS does not send you the whole kit at once and only begins with the empennage.

I am a member of EAA and I have reached out to our local EAA chapter in my area and there does not seem to be any volunteers that would have the experience/willingness to help on a projects like this. They seem to be more of a "meet for coffee" type of group. I am also aware of the VANS technicians as I have already contacted them with questions while working on mounting the wings which ended up being my first mistake by adding in all the spar bolts before realizing that the rear spar has not been drilled on either side.

To conclude this message, I would just like to ask for any and options for mentorship and/or additional guidance from anyone who may be able to provide it to me. My father was the sole builder and I no longer have anyone to ask questions on with any previous decisions he had made as well as some build quality thoughts/concerns. I do want to make the commitment to finish the plane and would love to be the test pilot for that scary/exciting day once it is finally complete. My dream is to be able to share the experience of flying in my dad's plane with my family as well as volunteer flight time for other to hook young future pilots and builders.

Thank you for taking the time to read,

- Jarad
 
Very sorry about your dad. What a tragedy.

Yes...local EAA chapters can be a valuable source of help in building an airplane...or not. The "meet for coffee" type of EAA chapter is common, especially in many "less than urban" areas. I'm a member of two EAA chapters...each at an airport 10 miles from my house. Really nice people, enthusiastic pilots, both have Ray Scholarships, etc etc....but with the exception of a guy who built a Kitfox 30 years ago (hasn't flown in 15 years), I'm the only pilot in either club with an experimental airplane. And I didn't build it. Absolutely no help there. Closest EAA tech counselor is 120 miles away.

If you're in the same boat...then I think you will struggle building an RV-6 without a hands-on mentor. If I was in your situation, I'd try to get an EAA tech counselor from somewhere to fly to you and look the project over. An on-site review of your situation and current project may show you options that you haven't thought of yet. Good luck. If there's a way to do it, owning and flying an RV-6 is a great experience.
 
So sorry to hear about your father. I saw from your profile you are from Alexandria? What airport are you based out of. Hopefully someone in your area will get you a motivation ride and lend a hand. I’ve had the same experience with the local EAA.
 
Jarad,
The loss of your father comes through your message.
I just finished my RV-6A.
I had some experience, but I too could not have finished it without mentorship.
The enormity of the project, should be reframed as a series of small tasks. Often, these can be completed in a day.
About 2,000-2,200 hours from start to finish.
With a family, job and other life events it is hard to prioritize aircraft labor.
The labor itself brings joy with every small accomplishment.
Where is home base?
Daddyman
 
Very sorry about your dad. What a tragedy.

Yes...local EAA chapters can be a valuable source of help in building an airplane...or not. The "meet for coffee" type of EAA chapter is common, especially in many "less than urban" areas. I'm a member of two EAA chapters...each at an airport 10 miles from my house. Really nice people, enthusiastic pilots, both have Ray Scholarships, etc etc....but with the exception of a guy who built a Kitfox 30 years ago (hasn't flown in 15 years), I'm the only pilot in either club with an experimental airplane. And I didn't build it. Absolutely no help there. Closest EAA tech counselor is 120 miles away.

If you're in the same boat...then I think you will struggle building an RV-6 without a hands-on mentor. If I was in your situation, I'd try to get an EAA tech counselor from somewhere to fly to you and look the project over. An on-site review of your situation and current project may show you options that you haven't thought of yet. Good luck. If there's a way to do it, owning and flying an RV-6 is a great experience.
Thank you for the reply and suggestion. Doing a quick search 300 miles from my location, it looks like there is only two EAA techs and they are both roughly 180 miles away. I still like the idea of seeing if a tech would be willing to fly up and check out the project and I will have to give that a shot.
 
So sorry to hear about your father. I saw from your profile you are from Alexandria? What airport are you based out of. Hopefully someone in your area will get you a motivation ride and lend a hand. I’ve had the same experience with the local EAA.
That is correct, from the Alexandria area. Base airport is KAXN.
 
Jarad,
The loss of your father comes through your message.
I just finished my RV-6A.
I had some experience, but I too could not have finished it without mentorship.
The enormity of the project, should be reframed as a series of small tasks. Often, these can be completed in a day.
About 2,000-2,200 hours from start to finish.
With a family, job and other life events it is hard to prioritize aircraft labor.
The labor itself brings joy with every small accomplishment.
Where is home base?
Daddyman
Thank you for your reply. I have heard those words before, "Keep looking at it as completing the next small step, not as a whole." I do believe this is needed in order to not continuously be overwhelmed. I had started working through reading the build manual on a weekly basis to verify completion at each step. This did seem rewarding and "dry" at the same time as it was less visual progress and more trying to get my head wrapped around the project. That had fallen off my radar as life got in the way caring for our two boys (oldest is 4 and youngest is almost 2). My oldest is about to the age where he has been interested in flying with me and I think I could maybe take him to the hanger for an hour here or there during a given week to continue where I left off. Still a pretty small attention span for him.

My base airport is KAXN and plans to be for the foreseeable future.
 
Hate to say this, but you might seriously consider selling it as is, and tend to your young family. Don't know how expensive the RT-hangar is, but...
Hope this is helpful
Ed
 
You can do it with this group, I have no doubt. I built my -4, and have helped numerous others from afar through this site and communications to complete projects such as yours. It is a commitment like no other, and I'm sure your father is watching over you to completion. Daddyman is a long time friend, and just made a similar journey with a 6A. As others have mentioned, an EAA chapter and a few mentors, as well as learning everything you can about the -6 and VANs philosophy will go along way. In all likelyhood, your father was building to the plans, and any deviations would be detectable at the stage your at. By all means, sit and read the build manual front to back..several times. Post pictures of the current status with as many details as possible and embrace the comments on here...this is a group that has seen most everything and most always get you headed in the right direction. I would cherish that engine like a newborn and make sure its stored correctly..that is an important chunk!
 
You can do it with this group, I have no doubt. I built my -4, and have helped numerous others from afar through this site and communications to complete projects such as yours. It is a commitment like no other, and I'm sure your father is watching over you to completion. Daddyman is a long time friend, and just made a similar journey with a 6A. As others have mentioned, an EAA chapter and a few mentors, as well as learning everything you can about the -6 and VANs philosophy will go along way. In all likelyhood, your father was building to the plans, and any deviations would be detectable at the stage your at. By all means, sit and read the build manual front to back..several times. Post pictures of the current status with as many details as possible and embrace the comments on here...this is a group that has seen most everything and most always get you headed in the right direction. I would cherish that engine like a newborn and make sure its stored correctly..that is an important chunk!
Thank you for the reply and encouragement. I added a few pictures to this repy that I already had saved and available to share.

In terms of the engine, I have not even pulled the cardboard off of the crate the engine has come on. It has been sitting on the pallet with the plane. Figured it was best to just keep it sealed up. Hoping that is correct...
 

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Thank you for the reply and encouragement. I added a few pictures to this repy that I already had saved and available to share.

In terms of the engine, I have not even pulled the cardboard off of the crate the engine has come on. It has been sitting on the pallet with the plane. Figured it was best to just keep it sealed up. Hoping that is correct...
 
That is well on its way and most of the big ticket stuff is done, and looks to be done very well. Your father has done a nice job! The spars are Phlogiston (factory assembled), looks like you have MAC stick grips, same as mine that will do quite a few functions and the AVX/wiring is done with quality wire, ect. ..just a quick look at these pics and I bet most RV6 guys will say the hardest parts are behind you. The fuel tanks should be leak checked well at this stage, but are already finished ...
 
That is correct, from the Alexandria area. Base airport is KAXN.
Oh!...that Alexandria! That makes me even more sympathetic and familiar with your circumstances as I'm only about 30 RV-minutes east of you (KBRD). I wish I could be of assistance, but you are already more of an airplane builder than I will ever be. That said...please feel free to get in touch if there's anything I can do, even if it's just encouragement and a $100 hamburger, your place or mine.

If you aren't already aware, the Twin Cities RV Builder's Group is a large, very knowledgeable, and very helpful RV community. They are the repository for the vast majority of RV expertise in the upper midwest. I'd recommend joining.

 
Oh!...that Alexandria! That makes me even more sympathetic and familiar with your circumstances as I'm only about 30 RV-minutes east of you (KBRD). I wish I could be of assistance, but you are already more of an airplane builder than I will ever be. That said...please feel free to get in touch if there's anything I can do, even if it's just encouragement and a $100 hamburger, your place or mine.

If you aren't already aware, the Twin Cities RV Builder's Group is a large, very knowledgeable, and very helpful RV community. They are the repository for the vast majority of RV expertise in the upper midwest. I'd recommend joining.


I was not aware of the TC group. I will look into joining that as well!

I have actually flown up to KBRD once to bring a prop (boat prop) up to Mike at Precision Propeller Works. He actually still currently has it yet waiting to be repaired. Once he completes that, I was planning on flying up again to pick it up. When that time comes, if you wouldn't mind, I can reach out and see if you are around. Would love to check out your plane as well!
 
I was not aware of the TC group. I will look into joining that as well!

I have actually flown up to KBRD once to bring a prop (boat prop) up to Mike at Precision Propeller Works. He actually still currently has it yet waiting to be repaired. Once he completes that, I was planning on flying up again to pick it up. When that time comes, if you wouldn't mind, I can reach out and see if you are around. Would love to check out your plane as well!
Do that. I'll PM you my contact info, call anytime. If I'm around, I'll be happy to give you a lift over to Precision. Mike has repaired a number of boat props for me over the years, know him well. He's a genius with those things but does have a few gaps in the organization arena :) . I know that he's very busy these days.
 
Jarad,
You are much further along than I realized. I thought you were looking at aluminum sheets still crated.
This is a project that can be completed.
Although I'm too far away to be "hands-on", I'm happy to provide input as well as practical suggestions.
My boys were about the same age as your children are now when I started with my first airplane.
I involved them.
I think if was instructive for them to see Dad working with tools in the garage, tackling an engine build, etc. Now they are 40 and 37 y.o. and are both capable mechanics and carpenters.
Rather than dividing time, I'd sit them in the cockpit and encourage them to make airplane sounds.
I "found" the time to devote to project by simply not watching t.v. You'd be amazed that can "give" you 2-3 hours/day (and you'll likely be happier).

There are so many in this community and the EAA chapters willing to provide teaching, and experience.

While I still consider myself an amateur, nothing like the real A & P's (like FixinFLyinGuy), I sure have learned a boatload over the last 20 months.
Everyone has strengths and weaknesses. I struggle with electronics, yet Carl Froelich and Tom Doran stepped up to get me over the hump.

Build on.
Daddyman
 
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