The gang at Van's got the raw footage to me yesterday. Clip now online at:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ndgb-MkK8o
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Ndgb-MkK8o
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Doug, you did the editing but resisted using Also Sprach Zarusthra for music as the plane rolled out. How did you resist?The gang at Van's got the raw footage to me yesterday...
Interesting. The wing loading on the -12 will be very light at 10.4 lb/sf at MGTW, compared to the -9 at 14.5 (1800 lb MGTW). I would expect the -12 to be a little tender in gusty winds and bumps with the light wing loading.EDIT: RV-12 (912VA) Span 26'8", Wing area 127sqft , Length 19'11". RV-9 Span 28', Wing area 124 sqft, Length 20'5". VERY close in size.
Interesting. The wing loading on the -12 will be very light at 10.4 lb/sf at MGTW, compared to the -9 at 14.5 (1800 lb MGTW). I would expect the -12 to be a little tender in gusty winds and bumps with the light wing loading.
TODR
Close up PICTURES please! What has changed?
And hopefully the clean stall speed.Well - the nose wheel was obviously changed. And the color.
I was told by a knowledgeable person that the change to the wing was to add a bit of chord. They seem very confident that that will do the job.And hopefully the clean stall speed.
I have no doubts!I was told by a knowledgeable person that the change to the wing was to add a bit of chord. They seem very confident that that will do the job.
I was told by a knowledgeable person that the change to the wing was to add a bit of chord. They seem very confident that that will do the job.
Since there are no fuses in those holders, I suspect that they are thinking ahead.OK, N412RV has a switch for Navigation and Strobe lights, a switch for Landing light (with pulse and steady settings), and a switch for Autopilot:...
Looking at the couple poor exterior shots on Van's site, I don't see any lights... Didn't think these would be part of a KISS LSA design from Van. Anyone have info?
--Bill
(looking at pics on Vans site) is it me or does the new RV-12 Vertical stab/rudder have more of a slant on top than the prototype? It also looks shorter to me..
Yes! (Words added for stupid restriction.)Is it possible to have "optional" items in a S-LSA and E-LSA, so Van's could certify the S-LSA with with lights and autopilot, but the builder of an E-LSA could opt for either/both/none?
--Bill
Close up PICTURES please! What has changed?
Does anybody know the purpose of the large center console in the RV-12? That certainly is different than the other RVs. I'm impressed with the low empty weight--only 738 pounds!
Bill,Is it possible to have "optional" items in a S-LSA and E-LSA, so Van's could certify the S-LSA with with lights and autopilot, but the builder of an E-LSA could opt for either/both/none?
--Bill
Jamie,Am I not understanding some issue here?
Van's can always make the kit under the e-LSA standard, which does not require adherence to the 51% rule, but limits changes from the Van's approved design. No idea if Van's will do this, but that's a possibility.Bill,
With the FAA not certifying kits for the 51% rule at this time.
No reason he can't.To our DARs: Is there any reason that Van's can't offer the -12 both as a e-LSA or ex-AB, i.e., two different kits for the same plane?
TODR
You can't change anything that will cause it to not meet LSA parameters. i.e. gross weight, max continuous speed, clean stall speed, etc.
Just like anything FAA questions you on. It's up to you to show that you are in compliance. If they question, you must show to their satisfaction.How is that enforced? Further, how would one go about proving that a certain mod did or did not affect those parameters?
Biggest advantages for E-LSA is that a later purchaser can go to class and get the repairman certificate allowing him/her to do the annual condition inspection. The flight test period is 5 hours. Advantage for amateur-built is the builder does not have to go to the class to get the certificate.There seems to be an general opinion that E-LSA will hurt the value. I can't make that judgement yet. I would think it would be easier to sell as an E-LSA when that time might come. I would like to hear anyones opinion on why E-AB would make it worth more.
John Bender
Remember, if the aircraft at any time does not meet LSA parameters, it cannot be brought back into LSA ever.Again, I don't see that E-AB adds any real value. E-AB would let you go outside the LSA perameters I guess, as a licensed pilot. ( thinking of maybe more speed ). As long as it meets LSA spec's when sold, it would not have an effect on value as I am looking at it.
John Bender
I believe you are correct. However, I don't believe that you can add Pants to an E-LSA if Van's didn't get the S-LSA approved with that feature, at least as an option. Are we correct Mel?I was thinking about the wheel pants issue previously posted. Its up to the builder to make sure the top speed is correct for E-LSA. I believe the prop will be ground ajustable, so pitch it as required to stay within E-LSA specs and it should be OK. Correct ?
John Bender