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As long as those little green men don’t try to enter their intergalactic saucers in the Sport Class…..
 
Wow, I'm really surprised.

I really thought they would choose Pueblo, CO. Pueblo was the obvious choice. Pueblo is about than an hour drive from Denver, so good transportation access from 'everywhere', pretty good lodging and other services for a large group of spectators, pretty nice town. Nestled up against the Arkansas river. The airport is out in open country with nothing but a DOT railroad test facility to sterilize for racing. Short day trips to a lot of other interesting sights, including the Royal Gorge Bridge, Monarch Pass, other beautiful gateways to the Rockies.

And instead, they picked Roswell, NM? ??? Really???? It is about 4 light-years, or at least a parsec, from any other spectator services or support. And other than 'green man' mythology, no other reason on god's earth to go there.

Well, in hindsight, I guess I am not at all surprised. RARA has repeatedly shown that it is just about the most dysfunctional organization I've ever known, with a consistent track record of refusing to make the obviously best decision on just about anything, so, there's that.....

At least Sports Class has developed other nice options.
1) Madras, OR, just 45 minutes north of Redmond/Bend, and about an hour south of the "gorge", so you can fly in, see some other fun sights, and enjoy good racing. Easy day trips to Sisters, OR, headwaters of the Metolius river, Smith Rock state park (no relation), Mt Jefferson. Extend your stay and check out the fun town of Hood River, home of the Western Antique Airplane and Auto Museum (just about the best collection of biplanes I've ever seen anywhere).
2) Las Cruces, NM. Access through El Paso, TX so spectator access is not too bad. Great racing course. Sight-seeing at White Sands is not out of range of a day trip. Watch out for the restricted airspace around Alamogordo/White Sands if you are going to fly in. Those close off a surprising amount of sky.
 
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Wow, I'm really surprised.

I really thought they would choose Pueblo, CO. Pueblo was the obvious choice. Pueblo is about than an hour drive from Denver, so good transportation access from 'everywhere', pretty good lodging and other services for a large group of spectators, pretty nice town. Nestled up against the Arkansas river. The airport is out in open country with nothing but a DOT railroad test facility to sterilize for racing. Short day trips to a lot of other interesting sights, including the Royal Gorge Bridge, Monarch Pass, other beautiful gateways to the Rockies.

And instead, they picked Roswell, NM? ??? Really???? It is about 4 light-years, or at least a parsec, from any other spectator services or support. And other than 'green man' mythology, no other reason on god's earth to go there.

Well, in hindsight, I guess I am not at all surprised. RARA has repeatedly shown that it is just about the most dysfunctional organization I've ever known, with a consistent track record of refusing to make the obviously best decision on just about anything, so, there's that.....

At least Sports Class has developed other nice options.
1) Madras, OR, just 45 minutes north of Redmond/Bend, and about an hour south of the "gorge", so you can fly in, see some other fun sights, and enjoy good racing. Easy day trips to Sisters, OR, headwaters of the Metolius river, Smith Rock state park (no relation), Mt Jefferson. Extend your stay and check out the fun town of Hood River, home of the Western Antique Airplane and Auto Museum (just about the best collection of biplanes I've ever seen anywhere).
2) Las Cruces, NM. Access through El Paso, TX so spectator access is not too bad. Great racing course. Sight-seeing at White Sands is not out of range of a day trip. Watch out for the restricted airspace around Alamogordo/White Sands if you are going to fly in. Those close off a surprising amount of sky.

Agree, it's a weird choice.
So will the Sports class vote with their feet and separate/secede from the RARA and go their own way? May be worth getting a whole new thing going as the RARA try to re-launch. Sequels are always tricky and I think RARA may struggle to get back to what Reno was.
What about the thoughts of the sport class integrating with a few airshows to share the logistics and resources already set up for the airshow and add the racing to the event?
Eg. on a 2 day airshow weekend, 3 or 4 races a day with the points added up and the Championship is concluded with the last show.
There will be challenges of course but if it caught on, airshows may start requesting races.
 
The alien thing is a distraction that could prove fatal. They won’t be able to keep themselves and everyone else from putting flying saucers and little green men (LGMs) all over the promotions, which will make the whole event hard to take seriously.

I agree with Steve S: Pueblo was the obvious choice. RARA stepped on its crank. I hope I’m wrong.
 
What about the thoughts of the sport class integrating with a few airshows to share the logistics and resources already set up for the airshow and add the racing to the event?
Eg. on a 2 day airshow weekend, 3 or 4 races a day with the points added up and the Championship is concluded with the last show.
There will be challenges of course but if it caught on, airshows may start requesting races.
I think the liability of full-bore racing due to a possible crash is too high for that to be a reality. You need a place where the racers can run without causing a lot of casualties if somebody puts it in the dirt. Reno has had several close calls and one really bad accident - Galloping Ghost was a wake-up call and in hindsight was really the beginning of the end.
 
I totally agree with Steve. For the last few years, RARA had worked very hard to completely slay the Reno Air Races.......and just check out the salaries they were paid to ruin it!!
Time for a change.
 
Those who think Pueblo was the obvious choice don't understand the issues. Pueblo is much too close to civilization. The potential for encroachment of civilization is MUCH greater at Pueblo. Very low at Roswell.
There are many issues to be addressed at Roswell.
Remember that Reno Races started on a dirt strip way north of Sparks. Horrid conditions but Air Racing was back and the majority were happy just to race.
My greatest concern is money. RARA has a terrible track record with money. A completely new organization would have been better.
 
Those who think Pueblo was the obvious choice don't understand the issues. Pueblo is much too close to civilization. The potential for encroachment of civilization is MUCH greater at Pueblo. Very low at Roswell.
There are many issues to be addressed at Roswell.
Remember that Reno Races started on a dirt strip way north of Sparks. Horrid conditions but Air Racing was back and the majority were happy just to race.
My greatest concern is money. RARA has a terrible track record with money. A completely new organization would have been better.
We might understand the issues more than you think. Issue 1: The proposed course at Roswell has no airport under the race course! RARA expressed the idea that the flat terrain means that an off-airport landing is "survivable". But look, it basically means that for many aircraft (including RVs) Any and every mayday means a destroyed aircraft. Sure, I can probably survive a 'landing' in the open desert in my RV-8. The chances of ending up upside down are pretty good. How about in a Lancair or Glasair, where the approach speeds are about 100 kts, on short, stiff, fragile retractable gear. Survivable? Maybe. That also raises the question of post-landing survival. Now you are out in the middle of the desert, with challenging access if any for first responders. In contrast, the proposed course at Pueblo has 3 big long runways under the race course, and to the east, lots of open ground where the railroad test facility is. Civilization is not at all close except on the west side, kind of similar to the way Stead had housing and infrastructure all on one side. And - think about it - civilization is a necessary component of air racing. You need an audience to pay entry tickets or you don't have a race.
Issue 2: Roswell has pretty limited emergency medical facilities. It is a loooooonnnngggg way to any kind of trauma facility. Think about that.
Issue 3: Roswell has about 1000 total hotel rooms. That is barely enough to house the participants and support personnel. Spectators? Sorry, no room - bring a motorhome.
All other infrastructure is equally lacking.
 
I think the liability of full-bore racing due to a possible crash is too high for that to be a reality. You need a place where the racers can run without causing a lot of casualties if somebody puts it in the dirt. Reno has had several close calls and one really bad accident - Galloping Ghost was a wake-up call and in hindsight was really the beginning of the end.
This year the Sport Class will be running races in conjunction with two airshows, both at Madras, OR and at Las Cruces, NM. The Madras race will really feature RVs very strongly.
 
The chain of events that led to the end of Reno were a result of the Unlimited course being too close to the spectators. I saw the coming 30 years ago when one of the top Unlimiteds overshot the final turn by a LOT, resulting in being almost over the crowd. Much later a jet crashed right in front of the crowd. If that event had started just seconds earlier it could have killed hundreds. I don't consider either Roswell or Pueblo satisfactory. The bottom line is that there are no good locations.
 
Looking at the accident history at Reno, there have been many fatals where the proximity of the runways didn't help. There were also accidents where the pilot survived but the airplane didn't. In the case of the jets and a very few of the Unlimiteds far too many pilots exceeding their resume.
 
Cruces is far better than any of the pother proposed locations. I wonder why they they did not submit a proposal.
 
Looking at the accident history at Reno, there have been many fatals where the proximity of the runways didn't help. There were also accidents where the pilot survived but the airplane didn't. In the case of the jets and a very few of the Unlimiteds far too many pilots exceeding their resume.
there have also been hundreds of maydays that ended safely with little or no damage to the airplane, and all souls safe.
 
Having been to the Reno Air Races for many years (for lots of good, and some bad), I really thought last September might be end for air racing in general. I'm super glad they've worked out a new location. (I can't imagine the amount of red tape.)

Last month on our trip to see the eclipse we overnighted in Roswell both ways. Everybody we dealt with at the airport, restaurants, and hotel were very welcoming. I know they've hung their hat on the whole alien thing, but that's ok. They're going to need to move some of the heavy metal around at the airport, but I think it's going to be a great place for some air racing! I can't wait!

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I think the liability of full-bore racing due to a possible crash is too high for that to be a reality. You need a place where the racers can run without causing a lot of casualties if somebody puts it in the dirt. Reno has had several close calls and one really bad accident - Galloping Ghost was a wake-up call and in hindsight was really the beginning of the end.
having been involved with reno for over 30 years, both as a crew member, and as with RARA, i have to disagree. the beginning of the end started well before the events of 2011. the decline started in the late 1980's. encroachment did play a part, but that was mostly a good story to blame it on. the financials of RARA were in shambles since the 1980's and getting worse. mismanagment and declining crowdes year after year made it worse.

The biggest problem was the business community no longer really supported the air race or even cared. for years it has not been the big draw event they wanted. hot august nights is the cash cow they hold as the holy grail. it happens downtown, its in the streets all day, it brings the whole family. lets face it, the dwindling crowd that the air races brought was mostly old men. the younger crowd was not interested, the wifes were not interested and they only got people in the casinos at night. the airport authority has bigger plans for reno-stead airport, my guess given reno's push for warehousing it involves a company that starts with an A, and we all have seen where that is going with them and sun n fun.

what 2011 did was put an event that was on very shaky financial ground on the financial fault line. im really amazed that they even made it for 2012.

as I have not been involved since 2013, i really don't have the information that I once had. the latest iteration of RARA, lead by Fred Telling, did a great job with what they inherited, but it was to late for them to right the ship. I wish them well and hope they prove me wrong, but my gut feeling is air racing as we knew it is over.
 
having been involved with reno for over 30 years, both as a crew member, and as with RARA, i have to disagree. the beginning of the end started well before the events of 2011. the decline started in the late 1980's. encroachment did play a part, but that was mostly a good story to blame it on. the financials of RARA were in shambles since the 1980's and getting worse. mismanagment and declining crowdes year after year made it worse.

The biggest problem was the business community no longer really supported the air race or even cared. for years it has not been the big draw event they wanted. hot august nights is the cash cow they hold as the holy grail. it happens downtown, its in the streets all day, it brings the whole family. lets face it, the dwindling crowd that the air races brought was mostly old men. the younger crowd was not interested, the wifes were not interested and they only got people in the casinos at night. the airport authority has bigger plans for reno-stead airport, my guess given reno's push for warehousing it involves a company that starts with an A, and we all have seen where that is going with them and sun n fun.

what 2011 did was put an event that was on very shaky financial ground on the financial fault line. im really amazed that they even made it for 2012.

as I have not been involved since 2013, i really don't have the information that I once had. the latest iteration of RARA, lead by Fred Telling, did a great job with what they inherited, but it was to late for them to right the ship. I wish them well and hope they prove me wrong, but my gut feeling is air racing as we knew it is over.
A big factor you didn't mention has been a refusal to do any meaningful marketing. It is amazing how often I mention the Reno races and other pilots say, "Oh, they still do that?". Many of us have bugged Fred and others to at least run a full-page color ad in Flying, AOPA Pilot, Sport Aviation, maybe even Aviation Week. Fred's push back was that the EAA crowd isn't interested and he can tell by how few EAA Discount tickets are sold. I laughed and cried at the same time. I've been involved in both for years and I had no idea there was an EAA discount! I've never known anyone that was aware of such a discount. So Fred drew completely the wrong conclusion from his metric. Which, again, amplifies my point of how poor the marketing has been.
 
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