... The FAA does not care if you kill only yourself.
Yep no. Regs require a Chute to deploy in 3 seconds. If you are in level flight and you depart the plane at 1000 ft. AGL, you will not hit the ground.** Chutes have saved the lives of many aerobatics, sport plane, vintage war bird, glider pilots.A parachute in an RV would be all for show and to fulfill the FAA passenger regs because I don't know how in the world you'd get out in time.
Nonsense. The RV is a single-crew aircraft. It would be really hard to say that a potential purchaser who has never been in the type before would be any use as Crew.I watched the Fly Chops episode where they flew upside down in several RVs at the factory with out chutes. In the comments section someone mentioned "crew".
Yes, the regs do say that when it's for instruction chutes aren't required... 91.307.d.2. So an instructor is perfectly legal doing this, but as you say, a recreational flight is a no-no.Sooo, sometimes some CFIs may instruct without chutes and that's ok. But, recreational acro with pax...legally you need chutes.
Yes, the regs do say that when it's for instruction chutes aren't required... 91.307.d.2. So an instructor is perfectly legal doing this, but as you say, a recreational flight is a no-no.
The FAA (and TC) have gone after people who have posted videos on YouTube showing blatant reg violations like this.
Yep no. Regs require a Chute to deploy in 3 seconds. If you are in level flight and you depart the plane at 1000 ft. AGL, you will not hit the ground.** Chutes have saved the lives of many aerobatics, sport plane, vintage war bird, glider pilots.
The debate about egress from tip up, slider, tip over, gull wing canopies/doors has been discussed ad nauseam. Ejection of canopy or door is a given.
** If you are bailing out pull the "D" ring on chute immediately. Don't think you are going to get into some stable skydiver pose. The chute will straighten you out fast.
Read the following carefully:
(d) Paragraph (c) of this section does not apply to -
(1) Flight tests for pilot certification or rating; or
(2) Spins and other flight maneuvers required by the regulations for any certificate or rating when given by -
(i) A certificated flight instructor; or
(ii) An airline transport pilot instructing in accordance with ? 61.67 of this chapter.
Note that not all aerobatic instruction is exempt from the chute requirement, only maneuvers required for ratings and certificates.
Skylor
Ah, right... And with no rating or certificate for aerobatics, that makes sense.Note that not all aerobatic instruction is exempt from the chute requirement, only maneuvers required for ratings and certificates.
Not in the US. In Canada it's fine, as we don't have the parachute requirement. It's still a good idea to wear one, although most don't.So pictures or videos of kids in the plane during acro without chutes, are not good things.
This is correct. Specifically, bank angles not over 60 deg, pitch angles needed to teach unusual attitudes and stalls, and spins, are allowed to be taught by cfi?s without chutes. Nothing else, nothing inverted for sure.
DFW FSDO Inspector told me that I can teach unusual attitudes past 60 / 30 for the interest of aircraft checkout. Not rides. He specifically told me to include a log book endorsement of the student so the flight was legally "training".
For example, A Split S is a great wake recovery maneuver. It demonstrates airspeed build up and G awareness.
...I did talk to a DFW FSDO Inspector he told me...
I hope you got that in writing on FSDO letterhead. At the very least, that inspector has likely exceeded his authority in making such a ruling (even advising you to make a phony logbook entry!!!!) and you'd be very wise, indeed, to give it the zero credence it merits. That inspector ought to be reported before he causes and/or tacitly approves any other stupid and illegal behavior.
However true that may be, it is not required training for any certificate or rating and, so, does not exempt one from the requirement for all onboard to wear a parachute.
Looking for ways around regulations (up to and, apparently, including fraudulent logbook entries) is both illegal and immoral and, regardless, is no way to approach flying, let alone go through life.
As an active IAC member and regular IAC competitor a parachute is just part of my regular routine. The regs are pretty clear on this...
My question is...why would you not want one?
Its like insurance. You are annoyed paying for it and having to go though the process of getting it....but when you need it (insurance -or- parachute) your darn gald you have it.
Responding to the post above about altitude and being safe before hitting the ground. All emergency chutes are quick deploy and rapid fill. They will usually save your butt as low as 3-400 feet deploying. BUT... the more important question is egressing the aircraft and the decision to do it.
I see a lot of RV videos of pilots doing acro around what appears to be 2-3,000. A mechanical failure at that height leaves a few seconds before having to make the decision and act of getting out of the plane. I would highly encourage to add a few more thousand feet.
Part of my preflight routine is to verbally say in what circumstances I plan to jump out of the plane. I also set a hard deck that no maneuver is initiated below.
A split S is a pretty dangerous maneuver....especially in an RV. Its easy to gain speed, approach Vne and build up G's pretty quick. Also, once you start it there is no going back. ITs probably viewed as a benign maneuver, but has probably killed more pilots than people realize.
Just my 2 cents.
This discussion has been ongoing for years. Bet the weight of the ink expended is pretty close to the combined weight of all those who have bailed out of an RV.
"(2) Within the preceding 60 days, if any part of the parachute is composed of silk, pongee, or other natural fiber or materials not specified in paragraph (a)(1) of this section."
This portion of the reg says a lot about its currency. Right on the money when Glenn Curtis was doing his testing!
Do you need a personal parachute if the airframe has a parachute?
We agree on an answer yet?
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