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jerry98b

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I'm sure all builders have felt the way I feel currently and I'm needing some encouragement. I am ready to start and finish my canopy, but looking at my engine and firewall forward has me feeling overwhelmed. I know it will all be worth it, but sitting at over 1,800 hours feeling like I have another 1,800 to go. I hate not having any idea how many more hours still lie ahead.
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Hi Jerry,
I've just started riveting the first wing skeleton together. I made the stupid mistake of counting how many rivets per rib and how many ribs and doing the math, then multiply by 2 😱, and thats just wings, not including the tanks 😬.
Seeing pics like yours keeps me encouraged that eating this elephant is achievable!
Press on!
Yes, there's still a lot to do, but you've come so far, you've shown that you have the skills and tenacity to finish this.
 
I'm sure all builders have felt the way I feel currently and I'm needing some encouragement. I am ready to start and finish my canopy, but looking at my engine and firewall forward has me feeling overwhelmed. I know it will all be worth it, but sitting at over 1,800 hours feeling like I have another 1,800 to go. I hate not having any idea how many more hours still lie ahead.
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I think you are more than half way because the panel is complete and a lot of the firewall preparation is done also. The most challenging task ahead is the canopy. The engine installation and FWF is not particularly difficult if you approach it systematically and follow the Vans recommendations. For me, the most challenging part of FWF process was the baffles and the cowl, there is a fair bit of iterative work involved.

If you have got this far then just keep going the way you have been going. The workmanship in the photos looks really good. I've found that building is easier if I don't worry about how long it has taken or how much is left to do and rather focus on the current task and trying to enjoy the day.
 
Find a local who has done a slider. It will help. Feel free to send me an e-mail or text. PM for contact info.

Engine and cowl is not bad either.
Trust me, as someone who breaks the mold, I've been in the same boat many times. 14 years and over 4000 man hours, I can finally see the end.

That's Sweetie and our pug Amelia.
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Hi Jerry ... keep the faith and keep pounding!! I clocked in at 2350-ish hours over 8.5 years at first flight. If your wiring is done (I see some nice Deutsch connectors there; excellent choice ... my fave) you're in great shape; that took way longer than anticipated on my build. The engine install is quite easy. The big remaining tasks are fitting the cowl/baffles and the canopy. The cowl/baffles is an iterative process .. lots of on/off. The canopy, if it's anything like a tipper will have you swearing that there is NOW WAY THIS FITS! but it will with careful measurements and adjustments. Looks like you're pretty close ... just keep pushing a bit every day.

It's so worth it in the end! I'm now at 405 TTSN, doing formation, got an instrument rating, and just loving the heck out of this awesome plane and the RV family that loves them as well.
 
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Take the keys out of the ignition and remove the seats. The completed interior is what is throwing your psyche off.
There is a LOT of truth to what Scott says. We tend to get ourselves stuck when something looks “finished”, yet we know we have to take it all apart to continue…..and we like seeing something finished, so we don;t take it apart….and we’re stuck in an infinite do-loop. Take the interior out, maybe take the fancy stuff out of the racks and put them in a cabinet - you’ve got some messy stuff to do, so do some disassembly and get after it! ( I just finished a section on this exact topic as part of a big series I am writing about “Eating the Elephant”….and am at a similar point in our Rocket build. A few more electronics things to check, and all of it comes apart so I can continue making progress.
 
Look through your build log, and take a few moments to thumb through pictures you've taken during the construction. What you've already done is a pretty huge accomplishment, more than most in this hobby.

You're doing just fine.

As I tell people kind of half joking, embrace the suck (there's going to be a lot of it).

Take somebody you care about up to Dairy Queen and get some ice cream. You just need to reset your brain a little bit, and sometimes it takes a day or two for me to do that.

You're doing great!
 
At some point during the build, we’ve all been where you are at.

I remember thinking “hmmm. Half done” after finishing the tail and wings. That lasted about 10 seconds after I opened the fuselage kit crate. “Uhm, this has a lot of parts to it….it’s going to take a while.”

Just remember, this isn’t one big job, it’s lots and lots of small ones. Eventually, the canopy, the firewall forward, the cowl, the fiberglass work, and all the small jobs that make them up are done, and you get to put it together for the last time. (OK, maintenance does mean some things come apart….but then they go back together, and you get to fly again!)

Keep at it. That first flight, first passenger, first long cross country trip, and first time doing the Fisk arrival into Oshkosh make it all worth it. And those bits are just the start…. 😎

PS: I have to admit, about half way through my build I gave up counting hours…..just seemed like the number was never going to stop increasing. There's no FAA requirement to keep track of build hours anyway. I did, however, keep taking photos of the process. The photos are enough to prove to the FAA you built it.....which will get you through the requirements for amateur built experimental licensing and repairman certificate.
 
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Your highs and lows come in spurts. When you’re low and slow, reflect on what you have achieved. When you are high and on top, charge ahead.
 
Keep pounding, don't look to far ahead. I have definitely been there, but I have over 800 hours on the hobbs on my 9A and it was very much worth all the work.
 
I have now flown my -8A in all but 4 states including Alaska ... planning on hitting those next year (excluding Hawaii). Flown to Canada, Bahamas, Mexico, & Dominican Republic. At the end of my build I was ready to sell it for scrap metal ... so glad I didn't. My best friends are RV guys and we fly together regularly.

Don't give up ... an RV will change your life!!
 
I’d remove those nice seats before you begin the canopy process. So much dust. As stated above, this is a looong process. Sometimes we fool ourselves thinking we are further along than we are.

I tell everyone I need a hobby not an airplane. Enjoy the process. I’m sure I’ll miss it when I’m done.
 
Your project so far looks very nice. Yes, everyone gets to the point where they are tired, burnt out, embarrassed that it's taking so long, concerned about the cost, and just plain unsure whether they have it in them to finish. Well, there are 11,500 (+/-) RVs flying around. Are you saying you can't be one of them? My RV-8 took 17 years! For 10 of those years, I didn't touch the project because I was starting a business, but a day didn't go by where I didn't felt guilty and embarrassed. For all the negative feelings you have now, you will experience the opposite when you first fly. Get out there and keep trudging along. It WILL be worth it!
 
At some point during the build, we’ve all been where you are at.

I remember thinking “hmmm. Half done” after finishing the tail and wings. That lasted about 10 seconds after I opened the fuselage kit crate. “Uhm, this has a lot of parts to it….it’s going to take a while.”

Just remember, this isn’t one big job, it’s lots and lots of small ones. Eventually, the canopy, the firewall forward, the cowl, the fiberglass work, and all the small jobs that make them up are done, and you get to put it together for the last time. (OK, maintenance does mean some things come apart….but then they go back together, and you get to fly again!)

Keep at it. That first flight, first passenger, first long cross country trip, and first time doing the Fisk arrival into Oshkosh make it all worth it. And those bits are just the start…. 😎

PS: I have to admit, about half way through my build I gave up counting hours…..just seemed like the number was never going to stop increasing. I did, however, keep taking photos of the process. The photos are enough to prove you built it for licensing and repairman certificate.
By the way, there is no requirement that you log hours, unless you just want to. You have to log your work, but that doesn't require counting hours. I don't...I want to focus on BUILDING, not counting hours
 
Jerry: Keep poking away at it and it will get done. For encouragement, the FW-190 F8 at Uvar-Hazy took something on the order of 65,000 manhours to restore.
 
I’d remove those nice seats before you begin the canopy process. So much dust. As stated above, this is a looong process. Sometimes we fool ourselves thinking we are further along than we are.

I tell everyone I need a hobby not an airplane. Enjoy the process. I’m sure I’ll miss it when I’m done.
Now that I'm more or less retired, I need something to keep my @ss off the couch and building airplanes is a great way to do that.
 
A sure way to keep you motivated is to hitch a ride with someone in their RV. If you were closer I'd be happy to give you a motivational ride. I'm sure someone near Lubbock will do the same for you. You are not alone, we've all been where you're at right now. Press on, one bite at a time, before you know it you'll have your own magic carpet.
 
I'm in a similar spot as you on my -10 project. The doors/cabin top have been my lowest motivation/desire to work on and a couple calendar years have gone by and I'm still not finished with them yet. But, I'm far enough along with them I decided to put the doors in the basement and do my FWF. I'm so ready to get my hands back on something mechanical again. I know I have lots to do but seeing an airframe on gear with an engine hanging and cowled up with get the fire going to speed the finishing up.
 
When I became overwhelmed during my build I would force my self to break down the built into tasks and just focus on what needs to be done each day. It's done when it's done, enjoy the process!! Firewall forward was most rewarding as it was the last hurdle towards a completed aircraft.
 
I'm sure all builders have felt the way I feel currently and I'm needing some encouragement. I am ready to start and finish my canopy, but looking at my engine and firewall forward has me feeling overwhelmed. I know it will all be worth it, but sitting at over 1,800 hours feeling like I have another 1,800 to go. I hate not having any idea how many more hours still lie ahead.
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My technique...I didn't count hours of work. I touched the plane every day that I could (vacations & work notwithstanding). Took pictures pretty much every time I did something, and some days it was as simple as only removing the blue covering. I'll also admit to being very overwhelmed looking forward to the next major work after completing the last...e.g. I designed, cut, and wired my panel...only to get it done and realize there's a bunch of wiring still to go, a firewall and engine to be worked/installed, and then the baffling. Had no idea how much fun that was going to be. Lastly, it didn't leave my garage until absolutely necessary.

Looking great! Keep moving forward as first flight is immensely rewarding.
 
By the way, there is no requirement that you log hours, unless you just want to. You have to log your work, but that doesn't require counting hours. I don't...I want to focus on BUILDING, not counting hours
Yea, I know. I'm familiar with the FAA approved "task list" to meet the 51% rule for the amateur built experimental category. I was originally keeping track of build hours mostly out of curiosity about how long it takes (me) to build one of these things.

My (maybe not so clear) PS at the end of the post was to say logging build hours is not necessary to either: 1) getting an RV licensed as an AEB aircraft. 2) receiving the repairman certificate for that particular AEB aircraft.
 
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I just kept trying to treat each measurable success as its own little project. It keeps one from dwelling on the "end goal" that seems so far away.

Then one day...
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