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LOP Flight Testing

RVbySDI

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Below is my raw data from this weekend. My mission this past weekend was to see if I can calibrate my GRT HX and EIS4000 Fuel Flow functionality so that it will return a reliable and accurate reading. After some measure of "tweaking" I am feeling more comfortable with my fuel readout on the Totalizer (sp?). I don't think I have the R&L Quantity readings calibrated well yet so I have been relying on the Fuel Flow to keep track of my fuel burn.

For the length of time with my Phase I flying I have not been able to trust what the instrument was telling me on the fuel flow. It appeared I was always putting more fuel into the airplane than what the instrument was telling me I should have needed. This was very disconcerting since the instrument was showing I had more fuel in the airplane than I actually did. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to know that scenario is not good. No offense to any rocket scientists here on the forum. :D

Well, anyway, after a lot of flying and fueling up and recalibrating I think I have the Fuel Flow readout much closer to the actual fuel burn. I think it might still need a little bit of tweaking but I feel much more confident in its readings. The raw data below is of 8 different readings (but not necessarily 8 different flights) in which I was working on figuring out the actual fuel burn of my airplane.

The data is also showing the results of my first attempts to run LOP. Having never done so I was a little nervous about what exactly I needed to be doing and observing while running lean of peak. I must admit the GRT HX makes running LOP very simple. The engine monitor has a LEAN button for this purpose. Without going into the boring details I basically set up for straight and level cruise. When I have altitude, airspeed, etc. stabilized I push the LEAN button. Then begin leaning the mixture. Once the EGT's peak the temperature numbers for each cylinder's EGT changes to a negative number to represent that cylinders temperature below the peak. From then on I simply dial in the mixture paying attention to the last cylinder to peak. It is really very easy to monitor.

If you notice the CHT temps and the EGT temps in the data below you can see they are both very stable and the span is very tight from one cylinder to the next. All cylinders operated in lock step very nicely. When I compare the temperatures running in this configuration to the time I have been flying without leaning like this the temperatures are quite a bit cooler. In my normal operations without attempting to run LOP I have been seeing EGT's in the 1400-1450 range and CHT's in the 380-410 range. Compared to these temps the LOP temps are considerably lower.

The last two flights of the weekend I made some specific changes to my flying that may have answered my questions concerning fuel burn. I climbed to altitude on the left tank only. Once at altitude (I tried to fly at 8000' DALT as much as possible) I stabilized the airplane at around 65% power, set the autopilot and switched my tank to the Right tank. At this point I started leaning using the GRT LEAN function. Once there I flew for exactly one hour on the right tank. Once the hour was up I switched back to the left tank. I descended and landed for fuel. I immediately filled up the tanks to the neck and recorded the fuel used.

Both times I put 6.5 gallons in the right tank. If you notice the FF reading on my GRT was showing 6.7 (A note on this. These FF # are an estimation as it tended to fluctuate some. As an example, during the last two flights the FF ranged from 6.7-7.1.). I think I might be able to tweak the EIS4000 a tad more and get the readout spot on. However, I feel pretty good at this point about the readout. It is very close now.

I would welcome anyone's analysis of my numbers. Also, I input all my data in an Excel spreadsheet and have some descent graphs of EGT, CHT temps, etc. but I could not figure out how to get the graphs to display in the forum. If anyone knows how to insert these Excel graphs please let me know how to do that and I can post them.

Date 9/17/2010 9/18/2010 9/18/2010 9/18/2010 9/18/2010 9/19/2010 9/19/2010 9/19/2010
Time 18:00 8:00 10:15 10:30 12:45 10:15 12:27 13:00
Start Time :07 :05 :05 :20 :09 :08 :09 :39
Stop Time :37 :20 :20 :35 :54 1:08 :39 1:09
Duration 0.5 0.25 0.25 0.25 0.75 1 0.5 1
% HP 69 65 50 50 65 65 65 65
RPM 2300 2290 2120 2200 2300 2300 2300 2300
MP 22.7 22.5 17.2 18.5 21.3 21.5 22.6 22.6
HDG 280 281 355 355 165 330 247 81
IAS 125 130 114 119 121 124 124 124
TAS 136 142 129 134 140 141 142 141
GS 147 142 145 149 132 165 136 145
FF 7.4 7.6 7.3 8.2 7.6 6.7 6.7 6.7
MPG 19.6 18 20 18 18 20 20 20.8
DALT 6227 6233 8160 8157 9200 8027 8064 7112
LOP -50 -50 -53 -53 -35 -20 -29 -29
OAT 72 72 65 65 59 65 65 68
EGT1 1372 1388 1297 1286 1359 1362 1377 1359
EGT2 1360 1379 1298 1282 1341 1354 1368 1357
EGT3 1382 1392 1314 1299 1341 1364 1377 1360
EGT4 1374 1386 1302 1297 1346 1362 1374 1360
CHT1 342 331 327 341 320 325 319 315
CHT2 337 329 327 342 314 320 315 309
CHT3 328 320 322 337 311 314 309 306
CHT4 326 319 319 335 306 314 308 303
 
I am confused....

My Fuel Flow Sensor came with a Kfactor printed on the label. You put in the factor in the monitor and calculations where spot on first run. (different brand)
Is that what you are trying to figure?

I didnt over analyze your figures but they looked like what you would expect for LOP operations. Once you get it dialed in, an interesting observation is to go old school, lean back until engine roughness, enrichen 1/4 turn, and you should find you are exactly at your maximum LOP figure for that given condition. You might find on an injected engine, "roughness" might be a significant loss of power, not actual "rough" running.
This works every time. (but isn't technology great)
 
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Steve,
On a flight a couple of days ago, I ran her LOP with numbers similar to your fifth column and the my numbers are very similar to yours with the exception of fuel burn. My fuel burn was 6.8 G and TAS was 142, but CHTs were a bit higher in the 330-340 range.

As for your fuel flow, which unit do you have the red cube or FloScan. I had FloScan and although it was accurate but I changed it to Red Cube and now it is much more accurate. Just as an example, I had my tanks full before last weekend trip, after the trip the EIFS showed I had burned 27.3, when I filled it again it took 27.2 G to fill it back up. I believe my Kfactor is set to 83.
 
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Just getting back to this thread today. To answer a couple of the questions posed:

I have the red cube fuel flow sensors. You may have noticed I replied with a plural answer. I have two cubes in the system due to return fuel lines plumbed for my ECI IO-340 fuel injection system. So my instrument has a FloCal (setting at 83) and a FloCalR (setting at 115). It is because of this return fuel flow that I am tweaking the settings. I am only adjusting the FloCalR return line setting.

As for the numbers I have been seeing: I guess I just wanted to post them as another data set for LOP operations. I think my speed numbers will increase some after the wheel pants and leg fairings are installed. I have been flying all my Phase I time without them installed.

Since we are talking about fuel instrumentation, I have also been tweaking the fuel quantity settings also. Can you guys that are running the EIS4000 tell me what settings you have for your SF and OFF Fuel Quantity settings? Are those settings working well for you or not?

Thanks for any info.
 
settings

For those running with the EIS4000, what are your settings for the SF and OFF for the fuel quantity readings?
 
For those running with the EIS4000, what are your settings for the SF and OFF for the fuel quantity readings?

Just did an intial setting on mine a few days ago. I borrowed settings, which were AuxSF = 286 and AuxOFF = 839. All it took was a slight trial and error tweak from there. Mine are AuxSF = 295 and AuxOFF = 839.

I leveled the airplane, then pumped one tank down via the AFP pump until indicated fuel flow dropped off. Fuel remaining I'll call unusable. That was my zero indicated fuel point. After SF and OFF settings, I measured fuel back into the empty tank and recorded the indications.

Go here:

http://www.vansairforce.com/community/showthread.php?t=62714
 
I'm curious about the math used to derive those numbers. I don't remember my numbers exactly but they were something like SF 29 and offset 83.. kinda like that.. not these triple-digit numbers.. so I'm curious how you guys end up with triple-digit numbers..
 
I'm curious about the math used to derive those numbers. I don't remember my numbers exactly but they were something like SF 29 and offset 83.. kinda like that.. not these triple-digit numbers.. so I'm curious how you guys end up with triple-digit numbers..
Is it possible you may be thinking about the KFactor for your fuel flow? The red cube fuel flow sensor has a setting of 83.

My current SF and OFF settings are:
Left Fuel Tank
AUX5SF-333
AUX5OFF-81
Right Fuel Tank
AUX6SF-340
AUX6OFF-89

The SF numbers are exactly what Sandy from GRT told me to set. The OFF settings are what I have been tweaking. Per her instructions I am only changing the OFF settings in odd increments.

Dan,
It is interesting how much difference there is between your OFF settings and what I was told to start my OFF settings by Sandy. Another question is whether there would be any differences between calibrating your 8 fuel tanks and my 9? My tanks are 18 gallon tanks. If yours are larger tanks then your numbers may be a bit different than mine. To date, I am heeding Sandy's advice about only changing the AUXOFF setting and not the SF settings.
 
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The wide variation in SF and OFF values is a mystery to me. I started with the multi-step process detailed in the sender calibration sheet from GRT. Those results flat didn't work, not even close. Had a few beers and a good night's sleep, then read the archives and borrowed John's numbers....which worked fine with a slight tweak of the SF value.

My trusty old Fluke says raw resistance at the senders spans the correct range. The power supply resistor is installed (one each side) per the hookup diagram, in the 4.7V line. I ran a dedicated ground lead from each tank frame to the single point ground. What other variables could exist?
 
What other variables could exist?

Person doing the math? :)



PS.. No I'm not thinking of K factor.. I'm talking about the math for the GRT's EIS. I'd love to see the worksheet for some of these "odd" numbers.

PPS.. My raw readings were 194 full and 140 empty.. so Sf was 29 and Off 81 (found the spreadsheet with the numbers)
 
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I had a problem for a while,

Turned out I has the EIS set for liters rather than gallons. Working great now, but I don't remember the settings. Can look at the hangar tomorrow...
 
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