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Is the RV 10 senior friendly?

mcgaughy

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My wife and I are 65 in reasonably good health. I own a Grumman Tiger and am considering selling it and buying an rv10 to have a faster, more roomy airplane for travel. We intend to go visit and try out an rv10 soon, but I thought I'd ask this group how difficult or easy is it for older folks to get in and out of these great airplanes.

Thanks
 
It’s like 40, but with money. RV-10 money!

Seriously, it can be a little tricky getting in and out of an RV-10. Getting in and out of the back seats is actually very easy, but there is a trick to the front. Suggest finding one locally and have the owner show you how to do it. I think only then can you judge whether it will work for you. You shouldn’t have any problem.

It is definitely a consideration though. I think it is unlikely that my 85 yo father in law will be able to get in and out of the plane.
 
My experienced getting in an out of RVs, listing hardest to easiest:
RV6
RV-14
RV-8
RV-10

Once you figure out how to swing your legs in the RV-10 is easy. I built up the door sill (filled in behind the fiberglass) so my butt slides over it.

Carl
 
I have never been in a tiger, so can't compare. Most aspects of getting in a 10 are easy. However, for the pilot or co pilot, once you get one leg in the door, you require some strength to support parts of your body as you get the rest of it in. Have a relative with one weak leg and he has some struggles with that part. It is achievable, but a challenge. This shouldn't apply to a healthy 65 yo though.
 
Having flown in both, getting on the wings is about the same, being able to step in a Tiger is nice vs negotiating sideways into the cockpit but the 10 is an easy pick over the Tiger.
 
I find the 10 very difficult to get in and out of the front seats and much easier in the backs. The problem is that the cushion is close to the same height as the wing walk and even with the seat moved all the way back the floor is far forward and difficult to stand in. I’d love to hear the techniques people are using to make it easier. I’m slightly reluctant to put elderly people in yet for fear of how to get them out.

With the above said, I don’t see a problem for a normal 65 year old, but it does seem like it would be challenging for the upper 70 group. The airplane is so amazing it is worth trying to roll yourself in and out of it though!!
 
I find the 10 very difficult to get in and out of the front seats and much easier in the backs. The problem is that the cushion is close to the same height as the wing walk and even with the seat moved all the way back the floor is far forward and difficult to stand in. I’d love to hear the techniques people are using to make it easier.
I train people to slide the seats all the way aft and step into the front beginning by placing their inboard foot on the ledge in front of the seat and inboard of the stick. The ability to slide the seat another inch or two aft would be beneficial.
 
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People are afraid of stepping on the seat cushion to get inside their airplanes. I understand the fear of damaging the very expensive leather upholstery. I built and upholstered the seats myself and I don't like getting it dirty either. I have a sacrificial vinyl fabric on the seat so that I can step on it without getting the seats dirty. By stepping on the seat prior to entering or exiting the cockpit, it makes getting into and out of the RV a lot easier. When the vinyl sacrificial fabric is dirty, I can wipe it clean, and reuse. I can sit on it and save the wear and tear on the seat. I can remove the fabric when parked to show the unblemished seats underneath. I just keep it in place since my airplane wasn't built as award quality. It's the same vinyl fabric that is used to upholster furniture that you can buy from most common fabric store such as Hobby Lobby or Walmart.
 
We are over 60, flying a cheetah and building a 10. We do have an 85 yo parent who wants to come on rides but eyes high-wing planes with wonder and excitement about how easy they must be to get into.

I think it’s a consideration for the old folks. Maybe we need another plane!
 
I train people to slide the seats all the way aft and step into the front beginning by placing your inboard foot on the ledge in front of the seat and inboard of the stick. The ability to slide the seat another inch or two aft would be beneficial.
This is the key to getting in and out of the RV10 front seats. Without instruction people tend to step in with their left foot all the way to the floor and then sit on the seat. Guess what, the right leg is now outside of the door opening on the wing. Know you have to fold it up and get it past the door post. Stepping on the ledge just forward of the seat keeps you higher, then lean against the seat backrest without lowering yourself. You can then slip your right leg past the door post very easily. After both legs are inside just lower your self into the seat. That being said all RV's (and most other low wing designs) require some arm strength when getting out. I've had 80 year old get in and out with no issue once I show them how to do it. As others have said the back seat is much easier get in and out of. I wouldn't let it deter you.


Gary
 
It’s relative. Compared to the Tiger, it’s similar. There is a trick to the front seats but nothing crazy. That said as we get older with arthritis I’m less and less thrilled with climbing up on the wing and shimming into my seat. Even more so for my wife who also has joint issues. I long for my Cessna days at this point to the point of contemplating selling my 10 and getting into a high wing of some sort.
 
Much like the slider canopy RV versions, I would think by installing some type of overhead handles, it would be most helpful. We used O.040 alclad aluminum with marine putty in-between the rollbar and the 0.040 aluminum windshield cap, which makes for a very strong grab handle when compared to the stock fiberglass windshield cap. Some folks install grab handles directly into the rollbar to make getting in and out easier. Can this be done with the RV-10 internal rollbar?
 
Roughly 50 hours on the "new to me" 10. I have the 7 zero birthday tomorrow. No real problems getting in and out. The easiest way is to move the seat all the way back. I'm lazy and don't want to reset the seat so I put my right leg in first they get flexible to get my left in. I haven't tried to get in the back but it was easy for my yoga proficient wife.
Friday, I flew a friend and his mom to pick up his plane in CA that was just out of paint. His mom isn't real mobile. We used a step stool (and I took it with us) then helped her up. Getting on the wing was the tough part. She was able to get in and out the back seat with minimum problems. Getting off the wing took some assistance.
 
This is the key to getting in and out of the RV10 front seats. Without instruction people tend to step in with their left foot all the way to the floor and then sit on the seat. Guess what, the right leg is now outside of the door opening on the wing. Know you have to fold it up and get it past the door post. Stepping on the ledge just forward of the seat keeps you higher, then lean against the seat backrest without lowering yourself. You can then slip your right leg past the door post very easily. After both legs are inside just lower your self into the seat. That being said all RV's (and most other low wing designs) require some arm strength when getting out. I've had 80 year old get in and out with no issue once I show them how to do it. As others have said the back seat is much easier get in and out of. I wouldn't let it deter you.


Gary
Very helpful. How about getting out?
 
This is the key to getting in and out of the RV10 front seats. Without instruction people tend to step in with their left foot all the way to the floor and then sit on the seat. Guess what, the right leg is now outside of the door opening on the wing. Know you have to fold it up and get it past the door post. Stepping on the ledge just forward of the seat keeps you higher, then lean against the seat backrest without lowering yourself. You can then slip your right leg past the door post very easily. After both legs are inside just lower your self into the seat. That being said all RV's (and most other low wing designs) require some arm strength when getting out. I've had 80 year old get in and out with no issue once I show them how to do it. As others have said the back seat is much easier get in and out of. I wouldn't let it deter you.


Gary
Very helpful. How about getting out
 
IMO getting out is marginally worse than getting in, mainly because gravity helps with getting in once you understand the sequence and foot placement. Getting out is just the reverse process.
 
Much like the slider canopy RV versions, I would think by installing some type of overhead handles, it would be most helpful. We used O.040 alclad aluminum with marine putty in-between the rollbar and the 0.040 aluminum windshield cap, which makes for a very strong grab handle when compared to the stock fiberglass windshield cap. Some folks install grab handles directly into the rollbar to make getting in and out easier. Can this be done with the RV-10 internal rollbar?
It is easy to grab the rain gutter/door channel on the -10 and/or the steel tube that runs down the center of the windscreen.

I find that people (inexperienced ones anyway) have a hard time climbing up on the wing. They try step...pause...step...pause. What they need to do is go from the ground to the wing in a continuous two step motion.
 
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WITH YOUR INBOARD LEG Stepping on the ledge just forward of the seat keeps you higher, YOUR INBOARD HAND CAN GRAB THE VERTICAL STEEL TUBE NEAR THE WINDSCREEN, YOUR OUTBOARD HAND ON THE DOOR JAM, then lean against the seat backrest WITHOUT LOWERING yourself. You can then slip your right leg past the door post very easily. After both legs are inside just lower your self into the seat. As others have said the back seat is much easier get in and out of. I wouldn't let it deter you.


Gary
Gary has it right. The trick is to bring your outboard leg aboard before sliding down into the seat. I added a few notes. To egress just reverse. Strangely, imho most people get out okay. Also getting in/out of the rear seats is very easy - just step onto the aft floor. I do carry a 2 step folding plastic step ladder for my wife to get up onto the wing. I don’t need it (I’m a spry 77 y.o.) but if I did I’d tie a cord to it, haul it up after me then throw it in the back.
 
It’s relative. Compared to the Tiger, it’s similar. There is a trick to the front seats but nothing crazy. That said as we get older with arthritis I’m less and less thrilled with climbing up on the wing and shimming into my seat. Even more so for my wife who also has joint issues. I long for my Cessna days at this point to the point of contemplating selling my 10 and getting into a high wing of some sort.
Certainly one reason for building the RV15. If you think the RV is a challenge try a Cub. Mine is on 31” tires in the cold weather and floats in the sumner. I have to say my wife is a trooper. We are both 65 and she loves to fly with me. She just wants my to park so no one can see her getting out or in😊
 
I’m 75 and hop in and out easily, I’m also 5’6”,short .

2 things to help: 1) get some non skid for steps and stick it in the front ledge at the front if the seats( similar to black sandpaper)
2) from Home Depot cabinet pulls , select some drawer pulls that are rectangular. Mount them thru the 3/4” x 3/4” longeron just above the rear seat vents. These pulls make it so much easier to get in.
 
I’m 75 and hop in and out easily, I’m also 5’6”,short .

2 things to help: 1) get some non skid for steps and stick it in the front ledge at the front if the seats( similar to black sandpaper)
2) from Home Depot cabinet pulls , select some drawer pulls that are rectangular. Mount them thru the 3/4” x 3/4” longeron just above the rear seat vents. These pulls make it so much easier to get in.
I flew my -10 from age 70 to 80 without any great difficulty. My knees would get a little stiff after 3-4 hr flights. My late wife had severe arthritis and 17 joint replacements. She used a 1 step plastic folding stool to get up on the wing. She also found it helpful to cover the seat cushion with a towel, so that she could step in and get centered on the seat, then step on the ledge, and finally down to the floor.
 
My experienced getting in an out of RVs, listing hardest to easiest:
RV6
RV-14
RV-8
RV-10

Once you figure out how to swing your legs in the RV-10 is easy. I built up the door sill (filled in behind the fiberglass) so my butt slides over it.

Carl
You forgot to list the 3
 
My wife and I are 65 in reasonably good health. I own a Grumman Tiger and am considering selling it and buying an rv10 to have a faster, more roomy airplane for travel. We intend to go visit and try out an rv10 soon, but I thought I'd ask this group how difficult or easy is it for older folks to get in and out of these great airplanes.

Thanks
Part of the trick is using the center overhead front support bar and the fiberglass door opening frame. Both are very ridged and can easily support a 220 lb. person. Finding a 10 with a handle on the cabin top rear might also be good. Use the door frame as support while stepping in but a handle might it easier but does add a little drag.
 
Thanks for the video. It definitely helps to see how others are doing it and I like the grip tape on the shelf under the seat. That’s a great idea.

I would recommend that you leave the flaps down after landing or before shutdown to make it easier to prevent the passengers from either stepping on them or catching their toes on them while swinging their leg up. We do this with the other RVs we own and find it to be a very important way to prevent damage to the planes.
 
Lots of experts explaining how to get down into or out of the seat after you get up on the wing. My biggest problem is getting up on the wing. My RV6 is a taildragger, so a little easier than an A model, and better than the taller RV10. I’m 72 and my next airplane, if there is one, will be a high wing.
 
From my experience, the RV 10 is easy for seniors to get in and out of. The doors are wide and the seats are at a good height. Once you’re inside, it’s roomy and comfortable, great for long trips. I think you and your wife will like it.
 
Lots of experts explaining how to get down into or out of the seat after you get up on the wing. My biggest problem is getting up on the wing. My RV6 is a taildragger, so a little easier than an A model, and better than the taller RV10. I’m 72 and my next airplane, if there is one, will be a high wing.
While I was recovering from a right knee operation I had trouble getting onto the wing too, on the pilot's side. I got a folding step stool, which worked great. I put a length of paracord on it so I could pull it up behind me and use it for deplaning when I got to my destination. It also facilitates checking the top bolt on my rudder during preflight inspection. The shorter of these two (8.5 inch) worked perfectly for me.

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Brace your left forearm on the top of the windshield. Step your right leg onto the cockpit floor as you swing your hiney in and brace it halfway down the seat. Bracing your right foot onto the floor and hiney against the seat allows you to bring your left leg in without much bending involved. The whole key is your hiney. The biggest mistake is sliding your hiney all the way down onto the seat with one leg still out. That makes it very hard to get in and out, especially if you're tall and/or have big feet.
 
Sounds like the hokey-pokey.
Nice video.
Also recommend only 1 person getting in at a time. Weight shift aft with the tail going down could happen if 2 "full sized" folks try.
Daddyman58
Just to be clear, avoid 2 people on the steps at the same time, especially if there are already people in the back seat.
 
While I was recovering from a right knee operation I had trouble getting onto the wing too, on the pilot's side. I got a folding step stool, which worked great. I put a length of paracord on it so I could pull it up behind me and use it for deplaning when I got to my destination. It also facilitates checking the top bolt on my rudder during preflight inspection. The shorter of these two (8.5 inch) worked perfectly for me.

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Mac,
Me too. I had total knee replacement surgery on my right knee two years ago. My concern after surgery was my ability to get into, or out of the cockpit. Two weeks after surgery I tested that ability and I was able to do it fairly easily. My biggest challenge was just getting up on the wing. I made my first post surgery flight about 5 weeks after surgery (when there were no medications/after effects that would impair anything) and I had no problems. I too have a footstool I can use while at my hangar, but that’s not always available. I can still do it with just a little extra effort, but eventually, maybe not. I’ve had a great career, and a long history with my love of aviation, so no regrets. I will do this as long as I am able, and can do it safely for me and others.
 
Mac,
Me too. I had total knee replacement surgery on my right knee two years ago. My concern after surgery was my ability to get into, or out of the cockpit. Two weeks after surgery I tested that ability and I was able to do it fairly easily. My biggest challenge was just getting up on the wing. I made my first post surgery flight about 5 weeks after surgery (when there were no medications/after effects that would impair anything) and I had no problems. I too have a footstool I can use while at my hangar, but that’s not always available. I can still do it with just a little extra effort, but eventually, maybe not. I’ve had a great career, and a long history with my love of aviation, so no regrets. I will do this as long as I am able, and can do it safely for me and others.
The other problem of course was getting out of the airplane. Allan Nimmo's EZ Exit Bar for getting out and that folding stool for getting in got me back flying at least a month sooner than would have otherwise been possible.
 
Just to be clear, avoid 2 people on the steps at the same time, especially if there are already people in the back seat.
My CFI/transition trainer had an RV-6A with tip-up. He related the time he and his wife tried to get on the wings at the same time, the tail came down, and the canopy slammed down on her hand.
 
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