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Can't find fuel tank leak during pressure test

kirkbauer

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First a long backstory then I'll get to my current issue. I'm doing SkyDesigns ER tanks although I doubt that's relevant other than just being more possible rivets to leak from. For my first tank I filled it with dyed auto gas before putting on the rear baffle. I had a leak at the inboard bracket. I added sealant and waited a few days. Still leaked. Then I cleaned everything off that I could and re-did the inside sealant. Still leaked. With some good advice on here I ended up covering the whole flange of that inboard bracket with sealant and it passed the leak test. But right when I was about to drain the fuel I noticed a leak out of one of the rivets at the curved nose part of the tank -- where there is only a single-rivet tab on the inside. The scary thing is that didn't leak until day 4 of the auto gas leak test. So I covered that rivet with more sealant and put on the rear baffle.

Then after drying I did the pressure test on my first tank. It leaked. Using soap water I eventually tracked it down to (1) the fuel cap and (2) the tube connecting the manometer to the vent line. I didn't use the best kind of tape so I cleaned off the area around the fuel cap and used really good 3M packing tape. I clamped the tube to the manometer. I made the mistake of spraying soap water on the packing tape to proactively check for leaks. Well that messed the tape up. So my final pressure test had clean and dry tape and I could literally see the air bubble being captured by the tape. But for 4 or 5 days no noticeable pressure loss. The pressure did go down but then back up again. Mostly tracking with ambient temperature so that makes sense. I did put together a spreadsheet with some math to try to normalize the pressure readings based on temperature and atmospheric pressure but that still never fully evened out the ups and downs. But the important thing is that after several days it still was reading similar pressures as day one.

So I wanted to do better on the second tank. I did a better job on the inboard support bracket sealant. For the rib flanges with only a single rivet hole, I just covered them in sealant figuring that it wasn't much more sealant than covering the tail of the rivet and the perimeter of the tab. I'm sure I used 10-20% more sealant on the second tank. The great news is it passed the auto-gas leak test the first time. No issues at all. So I dried it out, installed the rear baffle, then let the sealant dry. Unlike my first tank, I lubed the o-ring on the fuel cap and tightened the nut so it sit nice and tight. I also taped it really well and clamped the manometer.

And that brings me to today. It's failing the pressure test. It's losing about 0.25psi per hour pretty consistently. I've reset to 1psi three times now. I have done three passes of soap water on every edge seam, every fitting, and every rivet. I started with the rear baffle area since that's the part that wasn't tested with my autogas leak test. But I did every other rivet as well. The only thing I haven't sprayed is the taped area over the fuel cap. But, unlike the other fuel tank, I can't see any sort of air bubble under that tape. I'm getting no soap bubbles.

Are there any ideas other than just trying again and again with the soap water? I half seriously thought about submerging it in a pool but I'd worry about damaging the tank. My dad had an idea to fill the tank with propane and then use a propane leak sensor which he says is super sensitive.
 
There are lots of ways to skin the cat. But I would go to the pool or use a kiddie pool with plain water. You will find the leak fast. Then rinse with pure water and wipe it down and dry. No damage to the aluminum. I built a "dam" out of tape and flooded the rear baffle to find a leak in mine. Couldn't pin point it with soapy water spray, the water submerge found it quickly. Leaks at the cap are hard to seal for leak test but can be ingored with water submerge.
 
There are lots of ways to skin the cat. But I would go to the pool or use a kiddie pool with plain water. You will find the leak fast. Then rinse with pure water and wipe it down and dry. No damage to the aluminum. I built a "dam" out of tape and flooded the rear baffle to find a leak in mine. Couldn't pin point it with soapy water spray, the water submerge found it quickly. Leaks at the cap are hard to seal for leak test but can be ingored with water submerge.
That’ll work for sure. I put fuel in mine. Only couple gallons and turned it every which way over day or two. Put it outside.
 
Not sure what kind of apparatus you're using to do the pressure leak-down test, but is it possible the test equipment itself is leaking? I've had that happen several times while doing a static system check. When I did my tank pressure tests, I set up a manometer with some colored water in it. After everything stabilized, the manometer level would go up and down a fraction of an inch whenever the air conditioning cycled on in the shop. It was blowing right on the tank and the manometer is that sensitive.
 
Not sure what kind of apparatus you're using to do the pressure leak-down test, but is it possible the test equipment itself is leaking? I've had that happen several times while doing a static system check. When I did my tank pressure tests, I set up a manometer with some colored water in it. After everything stabilized, the manometer level would go up and down a fraction of an inch whenever the air conditioning cycled on in the shop. It was blowing right on the tank and the manometer is that sensitive.

I did think about that -- I used the same manometer and tube for the 4-5 day successful test on the first tank a few weeks ago. So unless it suddenly started leaking I don't think it can be the issue. I did spray soap water on both ends of the hose connecting it to the vent line -- on my first test I did have a leak where the hose fit onto the vent line barb but it was solved with a clamp.

Thanks for the tips so far. It's reasonable to assume that the leak is more likely on the rear baffle and/or the z-brackets so I think building a dam on either end and filling that area up with water would be a good next test. If that doesn't work I do have a friend with a pool.
 
Mine was leaking at the duct tape overlap covering fill opening. Double taped overlap and my water column worked like a barometer
 
yup, packing tape over the filler. Dollar Store bubble juice and a paint brush is cheap and works great for painting the rivets, seams, etc.
 
As a final update, it looks like my tank was never leaking. The one area I couldn't test with soap water was the fuel cap and the tape I put over it. I removed the tape, cleaned , and applied even more tape. Then it seemed OK, until it leaked again. Then I filled the rear baffle area with water and found no leaks. Then I did one final soap water test before going to a swimming pool and found tons of bubbles where the tube to my manometer was connected to the fuel vent barb nipple. I'm confident it wasn't leaking here previously. So I trimmed the tube for a clean end, put a bit of thread sealant in there, and tightened the hose clamp even tighter. Now I'm on day 2 of a no-leak pressure test.

For the record, even though I did have some real leaks on my first tank when I did a preliminary test with gasoline, I had numerous unnecessary panic attacks during the pressure testing on both tanks that were all caused by leaks at the fuel cap and/or the vent line barb fitting.
 
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