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Advisory GP changes

Richard Connell

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Starting a new thread to not derail the GDU v GTN question:


In this post the poster @Watzlavick has not captured the GP and appears that he thought he should have.

We have a similar approach here which has a 3.4degree path (OPs has a 3.6)

This approach hasn't changed in 4y in my case, however Garmin has in the last DB cycle has coded an intermediate point into the database between the IF and the FAF (the plate hasn't changed) which now means the VNAV won't transition GP because the geometry has the flightpath attempting to intercept the bogus GP from above in-between the IF and the FAF.
Previously VNAV would run to the IF at which time it would seamlessly transition to the (advisory) GP.
Im sure it's related to the service advisory issued by Garmin in the wake of the Steamboat CFIT (where the pilot appears to have remained coupled to an advisory GP below the MDA).

However, they just unilaterally changed it which meant I never left VNAV and was staring at a full deflection fly up GP at the FAF despite being exactly on profile - which got my attention. I disconnected and manually flew it, but I was rattled enough to go digging into what's changed.

see below. same approach, same plate (hasn't changed since 2022) -different database coding - big change in behavior. Id have thought worthy of explanation.
I understand it's an LNAV only but the advisory GP has been there forever prior and there's no danger of busting the MDA on the advisory GP in this case. certainly feels like lawyers getting involved in DB coding.

Pre DB change, the AP is in APR and has transitioned from VNAV and captured the GP at the IF.

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Post DB Change. Note the insertion of the SH06 waypoint into the procedure which stops everything sequencing. In still in VNAV well below full deflection on the "new" GP despite being exactly on the 3.4 profile at the FAF.

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I've only been able to do a bit of troubleshooting on my end but here's what I found so far. I was flying yesterday and at 50F I was able to select LNAV+V for RWY 17 but for RWY 35, I only had LNAV as an option. When I got home, I ran the GTN 750 Xi simulator on the iPad and noticed that both runways only had LNAV available. However, if I canceled (with the back button) and tried to load it again, I saw LNAV+V for both approaches. I was able to repeat this behavior several times on the iPad simulator. In flight, could it be a RAIM issue where the +V is available sometimes and other times not? This Garmin link says "Additionally, the unit must have a SBAS (WAAS, EGNOS, GAGAN or MSAS) signal of sufficient integrity. This means the GPS Status page must show “3D Diff Nav.”
I didn't check the GPS page but it seems interesting only one of the 2 approaches in flight had the "+V" available. I'll try it again and look more carefully at the GPS page.
 
I just signed up for it. I didn't realize it would show the A/P modes and Nav fixes, that's really cool! I flew the practice RNAV 17 into 50F this weekend and LNAV+V was selectable. I forgot to check to see if 35 had it.
 
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