rvmills
Well Known Member
'Sorry if I get what seems to be contentious in my responses; I don't mean to seem that way. I get a little perturbed when I find that someone gives me a mathematical or theoretical treatise to side-step the question at hand, so I try to show how the question is being avoided. It puts me in mind of the obfuscation that is the hallmark of a politician's reply to a question to which he doesn't want-to or can't answer. An honest response is usually something like "I've never thought about that before so I'll give it some thought and not just dismiss it off-hand." In reponding to my original query, Mel Asberry wrote that he thought that all of the lift was on the wing's bottom; at least he spoke his mind with no equivocation.
C'mon Paul, perhaps its not my role to say this...but I will anyway...I'd say that an apology with an explanation of why one says what they say (and how they say it) followed by a statement comparing fellow posters to politicians, is like saying, "ooops, sorry for the poke in the eye...now here's a poke in the other."
People are not skirting the question, they are offering their interpretations of known concepts (whether fact or theory or in between...I'm not going there in this post). Crazy thing is, you say they are dismissing your thought line, yet your thought line is a puzzle or riddle, and not a statement of a new hypothesis. So I'll ask a third time...what is your hypothesis on the original question. Previous queries on that (by me to you) are as yet unanswered. Your turn to avoid obfuscation.
Me thinks this thread may get the lock hung on it soon, for two reasons:
1. Mongo no like being poked in eye!
2. What aerodynamic or structural issue are we talking about now?
Remember, I like discussions with you, but Mongo no like having sand thrown in face, and won't step in sandbox if no stop...and Mongo think other Mongos feel same way.
The original noise model of the tropospheric effects on a radar wave, for our guidance computer, were developed strictly by fitting a polynomial curve to observed data and had absolutely no relationship to the real world. It was good in the middle, but like so many of these attempts, went squirrely at the ends. All it took to get a true model was to look at how the radar wave propagated through the air, and model that; simple and accurate. The same wth refraction correction. Astronomers use incredibly complex parameters in a curve fit that are chosen by some hieratical formula by the astronomical priests, but a simple model, based on measured physical properties, gives outstanding results.
OK, then please give us a simple model, based on measured physical properties, to evaluate and make comment on...
Now let me put forth a model. There's a plane with a hollow wing, joined only at the edges with no internal structure. The fuselage is joined to the top skin only. There's a giant man on the ground holding the plane up using both of his hands on the bottom skin, so that the weight of the plane is borne through his body to the ground. There is a tiny man inside the wing holding up the top skin, so that the weight on it passes through him to his feet on the bottom skin, and thence into the man holding it up on the outside. The little man's hands are pushing up on the top surface and his feet are pushing down equally on the bottom skin. Is he holding it up? Does the weight pass through him and the bottom skin and the giant?
I know you are having fun by asking the questions, but I have no idea what this model and question leads to, or how it relates to the original riddle. What are you asking? However, to be non obfuscative, I'll say that if the giant is already holding up the entire structure, then the push from the little man upon the top and bottom skins adds to zero net effect, and no additional weight is added to the giants hands (save the weight of the little man)(kinda like the air pressure inside a wing...net effect...zero...I think!).
But I'm providing an answer to a question that I can't fully place into context, so don't take it as a dismissal...I'm still trying to draw out the hypothesis. Can you hook a brudda up!?!
Cheers,
Bob