All, I'm applying my n-number (N1XS) shortly. Many of you know the regs well and wondered if I could use the following:?
That does not fit in with the guidelines that are published in the EAA registration kit.Are you going to use a DAR, or an FAA inspector??? A DAR might let you pass on it, but pretty sure a FAA guy will not. Talk to your inspector first.
Are you going to paint the plane before or after the inspection???
Simple vinyl numbers on an un painted plane will get you by, and then when doing the painting you could make an "adjustment" to the design
If a DAR lets this pass, he is not doing his job. A DAR works under the exact same regulations as the FAA.
Changing the numbers after inspection does NOT make it legal.
Just as an aside, inspectors on our area are beginning to crack down on some of these "illegal" N numbering procedures.
All, I'm applying my n-number (N1XS) shortly. Many of you know the regs well and wondered if I could use the following:?
I got gigged on my inspection because the N-number decal, purchased from Aircraft Spruce specifically for this purpose, had the 'B' character 1/8" too narrow. Yes, the DAR pulled out a scale and measured.
I don't think the design is a good idea - even if you get it past the DAR, a later ramp check or similar might end in tears.
*ETA - I really appreciated the orientation to detail that he provided. If you're in the MN area, you'd do well to look up Tim Mahoney when it's time for your inspection.
In a lot of different font styles (maybe all), it is very common for the letters of the alphabet to not all be the same hight.
Adjustments are made to some of the letters so that to our eye they all look the same size. Apparently, the large variation in shapes will trick out eye to thinking they are not the same hight, when they really are. This needs to be considered when ordering lettering.
In a lot of different font styles (maybe all), it is very common for the letters of the alphabet to not all be the same hight.
Adjustments are made to some of the letters so that to our eye they all look the same size. Apparently, the large variation in shapes will trick out eye to thinking they are not the same hight, when they really are. This needs to be considered when ordering lettering.
You could make some legal 2" numbers, with these being additional "artwork". But I personally believe that doing it once, per regs, is the right answer.
The "X" does not show up in ANY paperwork, or within ANY radio communications.
I thought the cut-off for 2" high numbers was 1983 and post '83 3" numbers were allowable for "cruise speeds" <180 knots and 12" numbers required for cruise >180 knots.??2" numbers may be used on the RV-3 and -4 per 45.22(b), but not the RV-10, as in this case.
Mel,
Just for clarification.
Still need experimental 2 inch and other placard inside for passenger amateur built etc...
Thanks,
Boomer
I thought the cut-off for 2" high numbers was 1983 and post '83 3" numbers were allowable for "cruise speeds" <180 knots and 12" numbers required for cruise >180 knots.??
It's a bit early but I'm taking notes!
Dave
RV-3B now on the wings
Me too, this is the first I have heard of this. Does this mean I can just put an X in the number without a new registration? I am liking this!
or as an amateur-built aircraft and which has the same external
configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may be operated without displaying
marks in accordance with Secs. 45.21 and 45.23 through 45.33 if:
(1) It displays in accordance with Sec. 45.21(c) marks at least 2 inches
high on each side of the fuselage or vertical tail surface consisting of
the Roman capital letter "N" followed by:
(i) The U.S. registration number of the aircraft; .....
Doesnt say anything about when it was designed but when it was built.
Me too, this is the first I have heard of this. Does this mean I can just put an X in the number without a new registration? I am liking this!
YES! The "X" doesn't show up in any paperwork. If your aircraft qualifies, you may remove the "experimental" placard and ad the "X" to the N number.
An amateur-built aircraft with the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago may utilize an "X" in the N number. i.e. NX123TX.
The "X" replaces the 2" "experimental" placard.
Reference 45.22(b).
This has been discussed at length in the other thread "N-Number Character".
These 2 threads should be combined.
So Mel, does this mean I can design and build an experimental that is the spitting image of a 1954 Cessna C-170 (with an O-360 and glass panel of course) and get to use the "X" in the registration?
But...Don's RV-12 LSA likely does not qualify....
Cheers,
Stein
RV-12 is a looooong way from qualifying.
And just as an aside, Light-Sport aircraft do not qualify.
Must be Experimental Exhibition or Experimental Amateur-Built certificated under 21.191(d) or (g).
I challenge anyone to find another standard font that meets (exactly) the FAA letter width and stroke width requirements as the correct fraction of letter height.
The first RV-3 and RV-4 aircraft were built over 30 years. i.e. A new RV-3 or RV-4 has "the same external configuration as an aircraft built at least 30 years ago".
I don't see a problem, mine is EAB, not an RV12, not ELSA, and it is a spitting image of a 1946 Ercoupe. Does the X have to be the same size as the rest of the N number? I can just re-register it and call it an "Air" coupe.
Yeah! Good luck with that.
Don't call me. I'll call you.
Acording to wikipedia, the first RV-6 flight was June 1986, so in the three years RV-6's will be elligible for this. Mel, in your opinion, do RV-7's share an external configuration with RV-6's?
RV-7 has a longer wing span than an RV-6 so it does NOT share the same external configuration.