Hi guys, my RV-12 has its airworthiness cert but hasn’t yet flown off the first 40 hours. If I sell shortly ,what should the new owner do to satisfy the FAA? Re-register the airplane….what to do?
Thanks, Pierre
Thanks, Pierre
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Selling an RV that is still in phase 1…
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I know of several EXP bought while in phase 1, and the only factors making it any different from any other sale were the phase 1 area specified, and you cant transfer the repairmans certificate. The phase 1 issue can cause some headache if not flown in the approved area, and redrawing it will require either the FSDO or a DAR to approve it. You cannot simply fly it somewhere else, but if trailered or shipped, the new area will need to be approved or amended before further flight. Obviously, the VANs build number transfer to new owner will be important and can be handled through VANs aircraft.
I'm curious Vern if a ferry permit can be issued for this? I was told by a local FSDO field agent that ferry permits can't be issued to an EXP, and a log entry that the aircraft was safe for flight was all that was needed (if in phase 2)....however that would not suffice getting one to a different, amended phase 1 area. In my case, helping a friend by a phase 1 aircraft, we were able to make the existing P1 area, and the new P1 area overlap and move forward..but it took a DAR.
the simplest option…
A special flight permit (what is often referred to as a ferry permit) can be issued to an experimental amateur built ( the function codes issued to me that stipulate what types of certifications I am authorized to do specifically specify that special flight permits are authorized).
But….. I would not issue one for an aircraft that had not completed its phase 1 testing because the FAA Order specifically states that the approved flight test area is to be only what is necessary to complete the test program, for the purpose of proving the Aircraft is controllable through all maneuvers performed, and has no unusual handling characteristics, and that all of its systems have been proven to be reliable.
Issuing a special flight permit to fly across the country, solely for the purpose of relocating the airplane to a different location is not part of the purpose of the flight testing.
I would have no problem issuing an amended airworthiness certificate that designated a new phase 1 flight test area once an aircraft had been relocated (a lot easier to do with an RV 12 then any of the other models).
But….. I would not issue one for an aircraft that had not completed its phase 1 testing because the FAA Order specifically states that the approved flight test area is to be only what is necessary to complete the test program, for the purpose of proving the Aircraft is controllable through all maneuvers performed, and has no unusual handling characteristics, and that all of its systems have been proven to be reliable.
Issuing a special flight permit to fly across the country, solely for the purpose of relocating the airplane to a different location is not part of the purpose of the flight testing.
I would have no problem issuing an amended airworthiness certificate that designated a new phase 1 flight test area once an aircraft had been relocated (a lot easier to do with an RV 12 then any of the other models).
Vern
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I certified an RV-7 in the Savannah Ga area. The builder moved while in phase 1. The ATL FSDO issued a ferry permit to the Atlanta area and I was contacted to issue amended Ops Lims for a new phase 1 Area.
Vern
Fortunately there are a number of legal ways to skin this cat. We had one that was admittedly a short-range case - my neighbor didn;t finish his Phase 1 before aging out, and sold it to a fellow down in Vegas. I wrote new Ops Lims that gave them a corridor down to a new Phase 1 area down in the Vegas region. Of course, there was nothing underneath that 300 mile corridor expect sagebrush and a couple of near-sighted jackrabbits arguing over a rattlesnake….and maybe an alien spacecraft watching from above…. 
was this register as ELSA or E-AB? only 5 hours for ELSA
Thanks ‘N’…..I’ll check.
rmartingt
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That was me
We moved across the state shortly after my first flight. It took a couple lengthy conversations with the FSDO before they figured out what I was trying to do with the ferry flight. After that it went smoothly. Be aware, an A&P or someone with the repairman certificate will have to inspect it prior to issuance; I didn't have it yet and had to ask around to find someone.
Then I got to go through all the "fun" of waiting for another Phase I area. Vern was a huge help with that.
How did you find that out?
Your ad in the classifieds indicates you installed a UL Power engine. Ergo, it has to be EAB.
ELSA does not allow the builder to alter the design, to include installing unapproved engines, propellers, avionics, etc.
The original post states that the "40 hrs" has not been flown off. There's a clue in itself.
