The RV-3A is NOT a tri-gear!I don't want to minimize this tragedy in any way, but it caught my eye that this is a RV3A...how many tricycle gear RV3's are out there? I guess I incorrectly assumed the answer was probably zero.
I believe in the case of the RV-3 (only), the "A" suffix denotes that it had a modification to the wing spar after construction.
Thanks for the clarification guysThe RV-3A is NOT a tri-gear!
There are plenty of resources to help you understand the construction of your RV3, its operating limits as well as inspection protocols. I suggest you start another thread to discuss that outside of this one.Wow this is scary! Not sure how to handle this. I have been flying mine and have about 60 hrs on it and treating it in a very very gentle way. But I do wish there were people that know these RV 3’s that can do some inspections on them as most of the builders have moved on in one way or another. For the help of the other owners I hope we can get so honest history of this RV 3A.
Agreed. I think for the small few of us -3 drivers we need to have some sort of discussion about the way forward once the facts come to light. Incredibly tragic.Wow this is scary! Not sure how to handle this. I have been flying mine and have about 60 hrs on it and treating it in a very very gentle way. But I do wish there were people that know these RV 3’s that can do some inspections on them as most of the builders have moved on in one way or another. For the help of the other owners I hope we can get so honest history of this RV 3A.
Agreed. I think for the small few of us -3 drivers we need to have some sort of discussion about the way forward once the facts come to light. Incredibly tragic.
I personally have taken a great deal of care looking into my condition inspections and prior to purchasing. I think your idea to open a new forum separate from this tragedy. I hope that some of you highly respected builders can help with this so we new people can move forward.There are plenty of resources to help you understand the construction of your RV3, its operating limits as well as inspection protocols. I suggest you start another thread to discuss that outside of this one.
Take comfort in knowing this is a rare incident. We will be waiting for answers.
RIP fellow aviator and condolences to family and friends.
That’s a great question but how do you accomplish that? Does Van’s have records of if kits were purchased as a 3A vs a 3? Or if a 3 was purchased as a 3 but then the 3A spar kit was ordered to add on. I called and asked Van’s and was not able to find this out however this was a few years ago when they were in the middle of their issues. I did call and ask Van’s and was told that under the normal use category the wing had no issues.The way forward in the meantime is to "review and confirm" you're RV-3 has incorporated all of Van's wing spar, main and rear modifications.
We won't know till the final report and will take some time.
300 hrs on a purchased RV-3A
120 hrs on a completed RV-3B
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You can message me if you like, don't what to go on here.That’s a great question but how do you accomplish that? Does Van’s have records of if kits were purchased as a 3A vs a 3? Or if a 3 was purchased as a 3 but then the 3A spar kit was ordered to add on. I called and asked Van’s and was not able to find this out however this was a few years ago when they were in the middle of their issues. I did call and ask Van’s and was told that under the normal use category the wing had no issues.
Don’t be so sureThe RV-3A is NOT a tri-gear!
That airplane is listed as RV-3. No "A".Don’t be so sure![]()
Certainly not a standard -B mod. I remember that this was a tricky intersection to figure out how to handle. I suspect that this was a builder's choice, not a factory design mod or suggestion?Is this shape on the side of the fuselage part of the -A or -B modifications?
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The “A” designation also included a modification/reinforcement of the inboard root rib of each wing.My first RV build was an RV-3 started in 1988 and flew in 1992. The "RV-3A" was never an official designation by Van's Aircraft. The "A" referred to a design modification in the fuselage where it doubled the rear spar attach bars increasing the strength of the rear spar attachment.
The spars of the RV-3 and "RV-3A" were comprised of laminated bars riveted to the spar web. The current RV-3B (which is an official designation) wing has machined spar bars riveted to the spar web.
There were two RV-3 wing spar mods issued in the late 1990's that required deskinning of the wings to install.
This isn't really the proper thread, and a new one was created this morning:If this is not the proper thread then perhaps Doug can create a new thread and move all relevant posts to it.
Cole, the RV-3 pilot, was one of the good ones for sure. He truly had a passion for aviation, always asked the right questions, and was on track to do great things in this world. His impact on his students and everybody else around him will be felt for years to come.Sad day for friends, family and the community. I didn’t know the pilot, but after reading about him he appears to be an example of a smart, capable, young pilot who had a bright future ahead of him and was put in an unexpected and somewhat impossible situation.
RIP
Cole, the RV-3 pilot, was one of the good ones for sure. He truly had a passion for aviation, always asked the right questions, and was on track to do great things in this world. His impact on his students and everybody else around him will be felt for years to come.
Unfortunately, it was me in my RV-8 who Cole was flying in formation with that evening. It was a golden hour evening flight with perfect weather conditions, not a bump in the sky, and everything was flowing so smoothly. Almost like it was drawn up in a story book. It was a simple formation break, level at 2000’ and 140mph. Nothing more. No hot rodding, no hard G, nothing.. just low G break to the right. At about 45 degrees of bank and about 5 degrees nose up pitch, the right wing separated from the fuselage in the root rib area. Rotated almost perfectly 90 degrees vertical perpendicular to the fuselage. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing in the moment. The aircraft continued to roll to the right and fell out of view when I rolled left to de conflict with his aircraft. Never saw it again.
I only write this out for RV-3 owners and operators to know what happened.
This really hits home. What you said describes most flights I conduct with my friends, sometimes even in this specific area. I cannot imagine the feeling of being on top of the world in one moment and watching your buddy’s aircraft come apart and disappear. Deepest condolences for Cole and everyone involved. Very sorry for your experience and loss.Cole, the RV-3 pilot, was one of the good ones for sure. He truly had a passion for aviation, always asked the right questions, and was on track to do great things in this world. His impact on his students and everybody else around him will be felt for years to come.
Unfortunately, it was me in my RV-8 who Cole was flying in formation with that evening. It was a golden hour evening flight with perfect weather conditions, not a bump in the sky, and everything was flowing so smoothly. Almost like it was drawn up in a story book. It was a simple formation break, level at 2000’ and 140mph. Nothing more. No hot rodding, no hard G, nothing.. just low G break to the right. At about 60 degrees of bank and about 10 degrees nose up pitch, the right wing separated from the fuselage in the root rib area. I couldn’t believe what I was seeing in the moment. The aircraft continued to roll to the right and fell out of view when I rolled left to de conflict with his aircraft. Never saw it again.
I only write this out for RV-3 owners and operators to know what happened.
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