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Tracking thread for Op Lim updates and new Light sport certs

Tram said:
But how can these people ever find an experimental aircraft to be "airworthy." ;)
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Great question! Any sufficiently complex regulatory structure is full of stuff like this. The “fun” part is watching people decide which snafu to worry about, and seeing how they justify it. 🤣
 
So, to summarize what I have done.
Yesterday I submitted a request for REPLACEMENT AWC, put in comments “updated operating limitations.
Today I got an email from a fsdo employee saying they received it. Form 8130-6 successfully uploaded (I only completed the online stuff, not that form number, no documents were uploaded).

They want me to upload a program letter that outlines the reasons for my request for an amended certificate.
I will work on that shortly.
 
RNB said:
So, to summarize what I have done.
Yesterday I submitted a request for REPLACEMENT AWC, put in comments “updated operating limitations.
Today I got an email from a fsdo employee saying they received it. Form 8130-6 successfully uploaded (I only completed the online stuff, not that form number, no documents were uploaded).

They want me to upload a program letter that outlines the reasons for my request for an amended certificate.
I will work on that shortly.
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Sounds like I did close to what you did, except I uploaded copies of my current OPS limitations and requested amended AWC's, not replacement.

I'd be interested in what others do for a program letter, if requested.

Seems like "Request Amended AWC with OPS Limitations amended to reflect current 61.107 changes." would be sufficient.
 
Tram said:
Sounds like I did close to what you did, except I uploaded copies of my current OPS limitations and requested amended AWC's, not replacement.

I'd be interested in what others do for a program letter, if requested.

Seems like "Request Amended AWC with OPS Limitations amended to reflect current 61.107 changes." would be sufficient.
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I just wrote a simple plane English two sentence letter explaining why.
 
If you request a simple N# change, the new apps will follow with it..... And THAT was dirt simple.
 
Thanks All for info thus far. It would be more better if everyone that shares their experiences include “which” FSDO they had said experience at in their post :-)
 
RNB said:
So, to summarize what I have done.
Yesterday I submitted a request for REPLACEMENT AWC, put in comments “updated operating limitations.
Today I got an email from a fsdo employee saying they received it. Form 8130-6 successfully uploaded (I only completed the online stuff, not that form number, no documents were uploaded).

They want me to upload a program letter that outlines the reasons for my request for an amended certificate.
I will work on that shortly.
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Most likely, when you traded notes with the FSDO guy, they updated your application from “Replacement” to “Amended” (FSDO Inspectors can do that…..). Post a copy of your Program Letter for others to see what you did!
 
Ironflight said:
Most likely, when you traded notes with the FSDO guy, they updated your application from “Replacement” to “Amended” (FSDO Inspectors can do that…..). Post a copy of your Program Letter for others to see what you did!
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Ironflight said:
Most likely, when you traded notes with the FSDO guy, they updated your application from “Replacement” to “Amended” (FSDO Inspectors can do that…..). Post a copy of your Program Letter for others to see what you did!
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I went back and looked, the closest I can think of is there is an earlier date from December. Perhaps I had started something on my own then and this was under the amended. The email I received yesterday upon completion said amended.

I absolutely get the amended idea but was trying to do what I had been told
 
Just heard from my FSDO, both of my applications have been “placed in the queue, and assigned for processing.”

Anyone looking to do this, I would recommend finding a friendly individual at your FSDO.

I was worried this entire process was going to be a bureaucratic nightmare, but so far, it hasn’t been evenly remotely difficult.
 
Tram said:
Just heard from my FSDO, both of my applications have been “placed in the queue, and assigned for processing.”

Anyone looking to do this, I would recommend finding a friendly individual at your FSDO.

I was worried this entire process was going to be a bureaucratic nightmare, but so far, it hasn’t been evenly remotely difficult.
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I agree.
Everyone is learning together. More info helps.
 
Just went to LSRI course.

My RV-6's present line 26 is attached.

Based on it do I use my LSRI-A once issued or must I update via the new 8130.2L?

Guessing the latter as I am not yet an LSRM-A, not the builder/repairman and not an A&P.

Could a LSRM-A, the 15 day course, use theses ops-limitation as-is?
 

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My FSDO emailed me back, said they got the letter I uploaded and that they will proceed once the revised template is available.
 
moosepileit said:
Just went to LSRI course.

My RV-6's present line 26 is attached.

Based on it do I use my LSRI-A once issued or must I update via the new 8130.2L?

Guessing the latter as I am not yet an LSRM-A, not the builder/repairman and not an A&P.

Could a LSRM-A, the 15 day course, use theses ops-limitation as-is?
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See post # 35 in this thread

Unless your limitations were issued with the last day or so, it wouldn't be possible for you to have the correct one.
 
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I just got an email that my application was accepted. ‘The FAA will contact you as the application moves through the process”.
 
Just received my permanent amended AWC along with the new op lims. And a signed logbook entry for such an amendment to cut out and paste in my logbook.
All done!
Kudos to Nashville FSDO!!!
 
Aviator said:
Just received my permanent amended AWC along with the new op lims. And a signed logbook entry for such an amendment to cut out and paste in my logbook.
All done!
Kudos to Nashville FSDO!!!
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That's interesting. This is the first time I heard of a log book entry for this process. I am courious to see if I get one also when mine are finished next week.
 
Tooch said:
That's interesting. This is the first time I heard of a log book entry for this process. I am courious to see if I get one also when mine are finished next week.
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A logbook entry has always been required for any Airworthiness Certificate issuance.
 
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For those that have new operating limitations can you send me a copy I can email to my fsdo person? I can pm you my direct contact info.
 
Ok, I have not received any op lim examples.
I am trying to help my fsdo with an example.
Absent an example, can I get a name and fsdo of someone that has issued new operating limitations? I’d like to give my person a referral in how to get mine issued.

Thanks.
 
RNB said:
Ok, I have not received any op lim examples.
I am trying to help my fsdo with an example.
Absent an example, can I get a name and fsdo of someone that has issued new operating limitations? I’d like to give my person a referral in how to get mine issued.

Thanks.
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It appears that the person in the FSDO you are working with is not familiar with issuing operating limitations for an experimental aircraft.

All of the appropriate limitations are listed in the appendix of order 8130.2L which was just newly published last week.
In addition, if they use the AWC system to produce your amended certificate, it automatically generates the proper limitations for your Aircraft.
By the way, FAA order 8130.2L is basically a step-by-step handbook for what the ASI in the FSDO needs to do to issue you a amended certificate.
 
rvbuilder2002 said:
It appears that the person in the FSDO you are working with is not familiar with issuing operating limitations for an experimental aircraft.

All of the appropriate limitations are listed in the appendix of order 8130.2L which was just newly published last week.
In addition, if they use the AWC system to produce your amended certificate, it automatically generates the proper limitations for your Aircraft.
By the way, FAA order 8130.2L is basically a step-by-step handbook for what the ASI in the FSDO needs to do to issue you an amended certificate.
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I agree, which is why I want an example and a contact person
 
rvbuilder2002 said:
The official approved example is in FAA order 8130.2L
It should be as simple as telling the ASI to look there.
That is an official document that they use for a lot of FAA certification activity.
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I am trying to take a softer approach then telling someone to go look there. I’m not there employer. Rather I want to assist by providing an example.

Appendix d has some stuff that looks like it requires work and thinking in order to get things right.
 
RNB said:
My FSDO emailed me back, said they got the letter I uploaded and that they will proceed once the revised template is available.
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So here is what you previously wrote.
It implies that you used the AWC system to submit an application.
I think you originally said you requested a replacement but they changed it to amended.
The ASI is 90% there with your online application.
The system has been updated, and the new limitations are there, ready to be automatically generated by whoever processes your application. No brain power required other than being familiar with AWC, which I assume any ASI in a FSDO is.
I would think that you would want to be sure that your new certificate gets issued correctly and meets all of the requirements in the newly issued order.
Handing them a copy of someone else’s operating limitations is not the way to go about accomplishing that.
 
rvbuilder2002 said:
So here is what you previously wrote.
It implies that you used the AWC system to submit an application.
I think you originally said you requested a replacement but they changed it to amended.
The ASI is 90% there with your online application.
The system has been updated, and the new limitations are there, ready to be automatically generated by whoever processes your application. No brain power required other than being familiar with AWC, which I assume any ASI in a FSDO is.
I would think that you would want to be sure that your new certificate gets issued correctly and meets all of the requirements in the newly issued order.
Handing them a copy of someone else’s operating limitations is not the way to go about accomplishing that.
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I have been told that the person I am dealing with is new and to have patience with her.
She has told me to wait for a template.
Do I just need to tell her that others are telling me the template is there?

I have a-specifically been told my person is not familiar with experimental

My thinking, if I am 90% there, is to help make the other 10% happen by giving my ASI people as resources and documents as resources, and to show that this has been done and I ought not have to wait. If providing her such things is not going to serve as a resource I do not understand the rationale.

What would you do in my shoes?

I am waiting on more videos from you.
 
RNB said:
I have been told that the person I am dealing with is new and to have patience with her.
She has told me to wait for a template.
Do I just need to tell her that others are telling me the template is there?

I have a-specifically been told my person is not familiar with experimental

My thinking, if I am 90% there, is to help make the other 10% happen by giving my ASI people as resources and documents as resources, and to show that this has been done and I ought not have to wait. If providing her such things is not going to serve as a resource I do not understand the rationale.

What would you do in my shoes?

I am waiting on more videos from you.
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How long ago were you told they were waiting for a template?

The AWC system was update with the new operating limitations templates last Thursday (Feb 5th).

If someone with the authority and access to do so, goes into your application and clicks on the Generate Output tab, it brings them to a menu of all of the operating limitations that are listed in appendix D of 8130.2L.
The person then works their way down the list clicking the select box of ever limitation that is listed to apply to a certification under FAR21.191. Some of them only apply to specific sub parts of 21.191. For those, they would select only the ones that apply to 21.191(g).
Once they have gone through the entire list, they go back to the beginning of the list and click on Generate Operating Limitations.
They then scroll down and click on Special Certificate, this will show the draft copy of the certificate. They should read through all of the limitations and fill in any Blank line areas that indicate that info specific to the aircraft needs to be entered (For an Amended certificate, I am pretty sure none of the limitations will require this but I haven't done one for a while so I'm not positive). Once they are happy with them, they click the "Sign and Issue" button and they are done. This should automatically generates all of the limitations that you should have on your certificate.
If they are not able to properly select them from the list based on what FAR you are certified under, then someone in their office should probably be looking over their shoulder and giving them some OJT.
I hope it works out for you.
 
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rvbuilder2002 said:
How long ago were you told they were waiting for a template?

The AWC system was update with the new operating limitations templates last Thursday (Feb 5th).

If someone with the authority and access to do so, goes into your application and clicks on the Generate Output tab, it brings them to a menu of all of the operating limitations that are listed in appendix D of 8130.2L.
The person then works their way down the list clicking the select box of ever limitation that is listed to apply to a certification under FAR21.191. Some of them only apply to specific sub parts of 21.191. For those, they would select only the ones that apply to 21.191(g).
Once they have gone through the entire list, they go back to the beginning of the list and click on Generate Operating Limitations.
They then scroll down and click on Special Certificate, this will show the draft copy of the certificate. They should read through all of the limitations and fill in any Blank line areas that indicate that info specific to the aircraft needs to be entered (For an Amended certificate, I am pretty sure none of the limitations will require this but I haven't done one for a while so I'm not positive). Once they are happy with them, they click the "Sign and Issue" button and they are done. This should automatically generates all of the limitations that you should have on your certificate.
If they are not able to properly select them from the list based on what FAR you are certified under, then someone in their office should probably be looking over their shoulder and giving them some OJT.
I hope it works out for you.
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I was told Thursday, maybe 1 pm, not sure which time zone though.
Thanks for that description.
 
Ok, i got another email after I forwarded some stuff to my contact person. I had sent a screen shot of directions above and the op lims that someone else received.

They are “reviewing the operating limitations” and the updated requirements in the latest template.

They will inform me of further progress…
 
I just got an update on my Amended AWC applications and thought I'd share the timeline, thus far.

2/4/26 - I submitted my forms via the AWC portal.
2/5/26 - My FSDO contact e-mailed me and told me they were "“placed in the queue and assigned for processing.”
2/12/26 - I got an email notifying me that one of my amended certificate applications was "Accepted." And upon checking at the AWC portal the Application State is showing "Approval Generated."

I'm a first timer at this, so I don't know fully if that means exactly what it sounds like, but maybe it does. My other application is still showing only as submitted. Maybe 1 down, 1 to go.
 
Tram said:
I just got an update on my Amended AWC applications and thought I'd share the timeline, thus far.

2/4/26 - I submitted my forms via the AWC portal.
2/5/26 - My FSDO contact e-mailed me and told me they were "“placed in the queue and assigned for processing.”
2/12/26 - I got an email notifying me that one of my amended certificate applications was "Accepted." And upon checking at the AWC portal the Application State is showing "Approval Generated."

I'm a first timer at this, so I don't know fully if that means exactly what it sounds like, but maybe it does. My other application is still showing only as submitted. Maybe 1 down, 1 to go.
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Where do you see approval generated at? I’m guessing in the column all the way on the right with green print?
 
Nice.

Did you also get the automated “Accepted” email from the AWC portal system?

If so, how far behind was the new OL/logbook endorsement?

Just wondering about the steps of the process.
 
Tram said:
Nice.

Did you also get the automated “Accepted” email from the AWC portal system?

If so, how far behind was the new OL/logbook endorsement?

Just wondering about the steps of the process.
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I got an email early this am from the inspector.

Hours later I got an email, I think when the case was closed.

I don’t understand your query about being behind?
 
RNB said:
I got an email early this am from the inspector.

Hours later I got an email, I think when the case was closed.

I don’t understand your query about being behind?
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I got an automated “AWC Application-Review Decision” email yesterday stating the application had been accepted.

I checked the AWC portal it it’s showing “Approval generated.”

I was wondering if you got these emails and just a rough idea how long between going from “approval generated” email to “logbook endorsement” email it was for you.

I’m sure an email from the FSDO will show up and minute with my new OL’s but just for others following along I was curious to your timeline.
 
I called my FSDO, made an appointment for early next week to get my temporary repairman!
 
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So, I understand this is possibly a sophomoric question but better asked and answered than unasked and assumed, the AWC that comes with an amended AWC application renders the previous AWC null and void, correct?
 
Tram said:
So, I understand this is possibly a sophomoric question but better asked and answered than unasked and assumed, the AWC that comes with an amended AWC application renders the previous AWC null and void, correct?
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Correct, I was instructed t destroy the old certificate.
 
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