Oh I can totally understand that. It’s waaaaay more airplane. Like comparing a 182 to a 172, only more so. How did you rate the handling qualities of the two?
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RV-10 vs Cirrus
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I owned them 20 years apart so the memory isn’t fresh between them. I don’t recall any significant difference but the 22 was a Gen 1 and the 20 was a Gen2.
sansoneservices
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ref op: you have a 4 seat Cherokee and a RV-7, great combination of docile family flying and -7 for thrills. Why spend many thousands of dollars on more aircraft, just sayin' 
chris1seto
Active Member
The chute isn't a replacement for ADM. No matter how good of ADM or pilot skills you have while operating any airplane, there are plenty of reasonable places to be flying where your chance of serious/injury or death is much higher without having an airframe parachute.
There was a Cirrus accident recently near me, out of KRNT where the prop suddenly stopped dead in its rotation. CAPS was used successfully and the airplane was even saved and (apparently) returned to flight. If you aren't familiar with the area around KRNT, it's very hostile to an engine failure.
An SR20 ditched on downwind for KSUS recently after what seems like an engine failure. Same situation.
There are a lot of airports in the US which are surrounded by unforgiving terrain that GA types operate out of without second thought. This is the kind of place where CAPS really shines. Low altitude, low airspeed, and an engine failure.
I also think that for the minority of pilots who think that the parachute grants them some invulnerability, they will operate unsafely regardless. I doubt the parachute is turning otherwise safe pilots into unsafe pilots. Even if they survive an accident because of the parachute, the loss of aircraft and potential for severe injury is almost certainly still on their mind.
There was a Cirrus accident recently near me, out of KRNT where the prop suddenly stopped dead in its rotation. CAPS was used successfully and the airplane was even saved and (apparently) returned to flight. If you aren't familiar with the area around KRNT, it's very hostile to an engine failure.
An SR20 ditched on downwind for KSUS recently after what seems like an engine failure. Same situation.
There are a lot of airports in the US which are surrounded by unforgiving terrain that GA types operate out of without second thought. This is the kind of place where CAPS really shines. Low altitude, low airspeed, and an engine failure.
I also think that for the minority of pilots who think that the parachute grants them some invulnerability, they will operate unsafely regardless. I doubt the parachute is turning otherwise safe pilots into unsafe pilots. Even if they survive an accident because of the parachute, the loss of aircraft and potential for severe injury is almost certainly still on their mind.
There was a Cirrus this summer that had it's engine quit shortly after departure from CYTZ (sorry, couldn't resist). That's Toronto's ISLAND airport. Anything single engine would be going for a swim. In this event, the Cirrus pilot popped the chute, and went for a swim with 0 horizontal velocity. A RV10 would have significant horizontal velocity to bend things, maybe flip over and make the water egress a lot more difficult.
glider_rider
Well Known Member
What is the definition of a very hostile terrain?
Not tool long ago an instructor crash landed a twin with both engines stopped in downtown Paris. He and the students just walked away.
This past December a DA40 crash landed in the very center of Mannheim city in Germany, again no one hurt
I could go on and on
0 horizontal velocity is not accurate
At the moment you pull, winds blow you in any direction which in turn might lead to death or serious injury. This recent tragic example from the UK
How about a risk of hitting a chimney or another obstacle which would tear up the chute?
Another thing is that in the ideal conditions horizontal speed might indeed be zero, but the impact energy is certainly non zero. Broken spine is not something I would ever want to risk, and certainly would prefer to get my feet wet. People successfully ditched RVs.
The only case where I would pull is a mid air collision.
I made this decision years ago -if the motor stops, or doesn't have enough power for a climb & the wings allow control, then I'm flying it until it stops gliding . Go pull the schute - then its outta your control regardless of terrain/powerlines & wind. Just saying. Engine out on takeoff? - don't pull the schute, fly the plane- IMO.
