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Meshtastic in my RV

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I built up a Meshtastic device using a RAKwireless WISBlock, small solar panel and battery. The unit has been operating in my backyard for several weeks with limited range of about 8 to 12 miles after 2 hops with 16 nodes in my immediate area.
The secret to Meshtastic range is antenna height so let’s try this again. My RV has a unused UAT / Transponder antenna so I connected the Meshtastic device to the external antenna and flew around at 4500” AGL, the node count doubled with the most distant being 167 miles away with no hops.

Anyone experimenting with Meshtastic?
 
I actually thought about this as a way to remotely control a heater in my hangar. This would give me connectivity to the hangar without a monthly bill. I have the older TTGO 1.1 hardware, so I need to refresh the HW before I dig in to this again. I live 2 miles from the airport about 200' higher. Curious what your use case is and what ground antenna you have?
 
I built up a Meshtastic device using a RAKwireless WISBlock, small solar panel and battery. The unit has been operating in my backyard for several weeks with limited range of about 8 to 12 miles after 2 hops with 16 nodes in my immediate area.
The secret to Meshtastic range is antenna height so let’s try this again. My RV has a unused UAT / Transponder antenna so I connected the Meshtastic device to the external antenna and flew around at 4500” AGL, the node count doubled with the most distant being 167 miles away with no hops.

Anyone experimenting with Meshtastic?
I have an NMO connector on the bottom of my airplane. The APRS antenna is on it. At the Shelby Hamfest this weekend, I purchased an antenna that can be trimmed down and mounted there for a meshtactic node. I will use my namoVNA to get the antenna tuned to 915 MHz using a mag mount on top of a metal tool chest. Once done, I can then test the antenna on the airplane and meshtastic in flight.

I first learned about meshtactic at the Thursday night ham radio club meeting.
 
Been a ham 45 years, faced questions on Meshtastic on the Extra Class exam I took last summer - and I still scarcely know what it is, Oly. Something to do with linked WiFi Raspberry Pi's forming an alternative comm network not dependent on classical infrastructure - but that's the Holiday Inn Express last night answer. Someone will be along to fill us in, or tell us (appropriately) "Here, let me Google that for you..."
 
I don’t see the relevance here for RVs as this really has nothing to do with flying or maintaining RVs. It’s a very specialized thing that from what I understand only communicates with others that have the same system. Hardly going to be something that RV guys generally use. Maybe take this conversation to a ham radio forum but it doesn’t really belong here.
 
What the Hell are you guys talking about? Please translate to English for us common folk.
Still……. nobody is explaining what in the world you’re talking about. If you are thinking….. “well, if you don’t know, maybe you shouldn’t be asking questions about this post”. To that I would refer you to the previous #6 post….. This is Vans Airforce, not third rock from the sun.
 
Still……. nobody is explaining what in the world you’re talking about. If you are thinking….. “well, if you don’t know, maybe you shouldn’t be asking questions about this post”. To that I would refer you to the previous #6 post….. This is Vans Airforce, not third rock from the sun.
Actually it has a lot to do with guys that own hangars and don't want to put in internet service to control their hangar heater or engine heater remotely, I think it is a brilliant idea.
 
This is too funny, did everyone poo poo APRS when a lot of RVs put APRS transmitters on their airplanes for tracking (prior to ads-b). This is the same thing. It's a mesh network that can squirt any kind of data thru it, e.g. location/tracking, on/off commands for hangars (or anything). Downlink of performance data while in flight for live performance analysis, etc. it has way more history and application that some not in the know probably realize. Perhaps it's needs to be categorized better in the VAF universe, but I for one, hope it isn't removed...
 
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I don’t see the relevance here for RVs as this really has nothing to do with flying or maintaining RVs. It’s a very specialized thing that from what I understand only communicates with others that have the same system. Hardly going to be something that RV guys generally use. Maybe take this conversation to a ham radio forum but it doesn’t really belong here.
This is a *very narrow* view of technology that may we'll find application in aviation. It does not require a license, uses open spectrum and its very power efficient. I've got a few ideas how to use it with airplanes....
 
Rolling eyes here, isn't there an active thread in re Starlink Mini right now...so what does THAT have to do with RVs? I looked up Meshtastic when this was first posted because I had never heard of it and personally I see limited applicability to in flight use, but I'm no Don Pansier. If there's a use, he'll find it! Leave the thread up.
 
OK, OK point taken so I guess I’m “very narrow” in my forward thinking about whatever this technology is. All you Sheldon Big Bang guys have it! Some really smart guys out there and wish you all luck while I use my old IPhone SE and my Switcheon.
 
Is this technology only applicable to people who do not have cell service and/or power at their hangers ?

I pay $10 a month for t mobile unlimited service to a sim card wifi router in my hanger. Use this for several different items in the hanger and $10 a month is worth it
 
For those "not in the know." IF you have a limited view of what our airplanes can be used for, then yes, this thread has "NOTHING" to do with RVs. BUT, if you wake up some morning to find all communications are out due to a catastrophic event, then here's what this technology can do and how RVers can serve their communities.
Having this technology mounted on an RV will permit Air-to-Air, Air-to-ground "wifi" connectivity to provide live video feed to emergency services to see what conditions the highway and railroad systems are in, where areas of destruction exist, etc. It also permits alternative communications means via email.
Having an RV orbiting an area or flying along highways, railways, coastlines, etc. can provide significant, immediate resources to emergency responders. BUT, if that's not of interest to the greater good....
As an Extra-licensed Amateur Radio Operator (Ham) and RV-9A pilot, I see great potential here. A group here in the Pacific Northwest have been exercising similar functionality for the past three or four years. Great stuff!
Instead of jumping on the THIS DOESN'T BELONG HERE bandwagon, maybe asking how this may be of use for the greater good. Then decide whether you want to follow the thread or not.
 
For those "not in the know." IF you have a limited view of what our airplanes can be used for, then yes, this thread has "NOTHING" to do with RVs. BUT, if you wake up some morning to find all communications are out due to a catastrophic event, then here's what this technology can do and how RVers can serve their communities.
Having this technology mounted on an RV will permit Air-to-Air, Air-to-ground "wifi" connectivity to provide live video feed to emergency services to see what conditions the highway and railroad systems are in, where areas of destruction exist, etc. It also permits alternative communications means via email.
Having an RV orbiting an area or flying along highways, railways, coastlines, etc. can provide significant, immediate resources to emergency responders. BUT, if that's not of interest to the greater good....
As an Extra-licensed Amateur Radio Operator (Ham) and RV-9A pilot, I see great potential here. A group here in the Pacific Northwest have been exercising similar functionality for the past three or four years. Great stuff!
Instead of jumping on the THIS DOESN'T BELONG HERE bandwagon, maybe asking how this may be of use for the greater good. Then decide whether you want to follow the thread or not.
When i did a quick Google search about meshtastic many threads mentioned the bandwidth was extremely limited making even browsing the internet impossible.

I'm completely ignorant of this subject but I'm assuming that the connectivity and bandwidth are enough to support internet connections ?
 
It's not super fast or can carry a ton of data, but neither was APRS. But as the first person to put LoRA in space on a satellite, (I designed the SWARM satellites, before SpaceX bought us), when everyone said it's wouldn't work and LoRA is the technology behind meshtastic. It can be made too work rather well. Btw, we did images, audio, and data over the SWARM network. At one of LoRAs lower bandwidths due to our power budget and antenna. The satellite was the size of a piece of Texas Toast!
 
I built up a Meshtastic device using a RAKwireless WISBlock, small solar panel and battery. The unit has been operating in my backyard for several weeks with limited range of about 8 to 12 miles after 2 hops with 16 nodes in my immediate area.
The secret to Meshtastic range is antenna height so let’s try this again. My RV has a unused UAT / Transponder antenna so I connected the Meshtastic device to the external antenna and flew around at 4500” AGL, the node count doubled with the most distant being 167 miles away with no hops.

Anyone experimenting with Meshtastic?
We had 1,100 odd active nodes at DefCon this year. Pretty cool!
 
I took one of my meshtastic devices with me on a flight a few weeks ago. The no-hop node counts were amazing.

For people who are wondering what the heck we're talking about, you can search on YouTube for "what is meshtastic?" or something similar. :)

Short version: Small, low power devices that can send and receive data between devices, unlicensed radio spectrum. Super nerdy, but pretty nifty if you're into that stuff. I've used it on a hangar power switch remote control, a runway lighting monitor system, and a couple other ideas.
 
I took one of my meshtastic devices with me on a flight a few weeks ago. The no-hop node counts were amazing.

For people who are wondering what the heck we're talking about, you can search on YouTube for "what is meshtastic?" or something similar. :)

Short version: Small, low power devices that can send and receive data between devices, unlicensed radio spectrum. Super nerdy, but pretty nifty if you're into that stuff. I've used it on a hangar power switch remote control, a runway lighting monitor system, and a couple other ideas.
Thank you Greg. Your “short version” explanation goes a long way. I’ll research what I can to see what I can learn. I especially like the management of a hangar power switch remotely. Hopefully it will explain what “no-hop” means, and what a “node” is.
Of course, maybe there’s no hope for a technical Neanderthal senior citizen like me…..
 
Thank you Greg. Your “short version” explanation goes a long way. I’ll research what I can to see what I can learn. I especially like the management of a hangar power switch remotely. Hopefully it will explain what “no-hop” means, and what a “node” is.
Of course, maybe there’s no hope for a technical Neanderthal senior citizen like me…..
A "node" is basically a device that is participating in a network of devices.

"No-hop" refers to a connection directly between one node and another node. The way meshtastic works is, each node can receive the messages broadcast by other nodes, and can/will typically forward those messages on to any other nodes it can "see." In that way, messages can hop between nodes, being forwarded along by a "mesh" of network nodes until the recipient is reached. Sort of. It can get more complicated than that, but not really relevant to this discussion.

If my meshtastic device is in my airplane up high in the sky, I have a much better view (direct line of sight) of other participating meshtastic devices (nodes). Since the frequencies involved perform best with a direct line of sight and nothing in the way to obstruct the signal. So, in that situation, my node can transmit and receive messages to/from other meshtastic devices that are a lot further away than when on the ground with obstructions compromising the signal.

My device >>> Node 2 >>> Node 3 >>> Node 4

In the above network (and keeping with the language being used in this thread) "my device" is "no hops" from node 2 (it's a direct connection), and is "one hop" from node 3 (there is one node between us), etc. On the ground, I might need to rely on node 2 to get my message and send it to node 3 due to limits of how far I can send on the ground, but from the sky I might be able to see node 3 directly (or maybe even node 4 as well).

And no, you won't be surfing the web with this technology. But you can send some useful small bits of data. For example, maybe it's the equivalent of "turn on the engine heater" and your smart switch in your hangar flips on, and the engine block heater starts doing its thing. Or from the air, small bits of real-time telemetry from your avionics coudl be transmited to a ground node (probably a bit limited in how much you can send, but still pretty cool to be able to do it). Then there's the crowd that uses it for the doomsday scenario (where all cell networks are down and the internet is also down, but we can still send short meshtasic text messages to each other).

Super nerdy (unapologetically so) to be sure. But fun to learn from and kind of like building an airplane and then flying it, it's fun when you put together these devices, load up some software, and start seeing little messages bounce around the mesh of participating devices. BUT - it will also completely destroy two days of time you'd otherwise spend building an airplane, so keep that in mind. :)
 
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The way meshtastic works is, each node can receive the messages broadcast by other nodes, and can/will typically forward those messages on to any other nodes it can "see."
How is a "message" generated and loaded onto the broadcasting node in the first place? Connected keyboard?
 
In a real OS! situtation, a Go-Pro mounted to the plane will feed directly into the device, then link video of highways, bridges, railroads or anything an Emergency Command Center is interested in to them.
Also, as an aircraft orbits a defined area the device can be used as a link/repeater for emergency communications traffic between the various "players." With multiple aircraft, scheduled throughout the day, communications can be maintained until the situation is overcome.
Ham radio can do similar functions, but sometimes propagation impacts connectivity. This MESH technology can help mitigate that issue.
 
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