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Vnav with the GTN 375

Taltruda

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In my buddies -8, I can’t figure out the Vnav, and the videos on YouTube aren’t showing what I’m looking for. Compared to the 650 or 750, I’m not seeing the altitude constraints on the active flight plan page. When trying to set up Vnav, how to I verify the altitude constraints or change them to at “or below “ or “at or above” or “at” like on the 650/750?
 
I have a gps175 (similar) and the only option for in-route is the VCALC, one waypoint at a time. VCALC won't drive the autopilot either so must program the altitude bug and the descent/climb rate by hand into the AP. The VNAV for the approaches works great though.
 
is there a work around? Like pushing the plan into “internal” and driving the Vnav part of the AP through the G3X? Seems like a pretty major shortcoming of the 375 series..
 
I have a gps175 (similar) and the only option for in-route is the VCALC, one waypoint at a time. VCALC won't drive the autopilot either so must program the altitude bug and the descent/climb rate by hand into the AP. The VNAV for the approaches works great though.
We tried last night (I'm the buddy in the OP) to get the VNAV to work for the RNAV approach. We were at 9500 and set the AP altitude bug to the FAF (5100) altitude, engaged VNAV well before capturing a segment of the approach and the plane did nothing. It followed the lateral course, but stayed at 9500 the entire way until I had to click off the AP and manually descend to get it to capture the GP in APPRCH mode.

So what are the steps to use VNAV for approaches??
 
So what are the steps to use VNAV for approaches??

As mentioned the GNX375 does not support VNAV. So you would use the VCALC reference page to manually enter a VS descent to your desired altitude and adjust as needed on the descent, before entering the approach and arming APPR mode.

Here's a video explaining some VNAV/VCALC differences, as well as a demo of the GTN VNAV versus the G3XT internal single-waypoint VNAV use:
 
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We were at 9500 and set the AP altitude bug to the FAF (5100) altitude, engaged VNAV well before capturing a segment of the approach and the plane did nothing.
Been there and had to slip so hard to the runway that the fuel unported in the low wing and I got a fuel level alert! 😮

However these GPS will in fact provide VNAV approach guidance. The approach must be activated, and the VNAV armed. You are responsible to descend below the glide path guidance before the FAF on your own (the Approach will usually set you up for that). The VNAV will engage once it captures the glide path from *below*! It will never attempt to dive and acquire the GP from above, at least my Dynon AP won't.
 
We tried last night (I'm the buddy in the OP) to get the VNAV to work for the RNAV approach. We were at 9500 and set the AP altitude bug to the FAF (5100) altitude, engaged VNAV well before capturing a segment of the approach and the plane did nothing. It followed the lateral course, but stayed at 9500 the entire way until I had to click off the AP and manually descend to get it to capture the GP in APPRCH mode.

So what are the steps to use VNAV for approaches??
I am no expert (only got my instrument last year) but in my setup with the 375 and the Trutrak Vizion 385 I use the waypoint function in my 760 (which is coupled to the 375) to set the desired altitude at the IAF waypoint and the Vertical Speed required (VSR) user field display to display the required rate of descent to put in the Trutrak. I then put the desired altitude into the Trutrak in GPSS mode and set the VS to match the computed VSR, a bit clunky but it seems to work out, the AP arms and then couples to fly the approach.
Figs
 
Been there and had to slip so hard to the runway that the fuel unported in the low wing and I got a fuel level alert! 😮

However these GPS will in fact provide VNAV approach guidance. The approach must be activated, and the VNAV armed. You are responsible to descend below the glide path guidance before the FAF on your own (the Approach will usually set you up for that). The VNAV will engage once it captures the glide path from *below*! It will never attempt to dive and acquire the GP from above, at least my Dynon AP won't.
Ok, maybe we're all using different terms. I'm talking specifically about the "VNAV" button on the Garmin 507 AP panel. Not the generic concept of VNAV. I can get the Garmin to capture the Glide path exactly as you describe from below by using only the "APPR" (approach) button on the AP controller before the FAF. It seems to ignore the actual VNAV button on the panel if you select that.
 
Important to separate terms here:

- VNAV = Enroute Vertical Navigation (vertical coupling of the autopilot to a defined waypoint or IAF)
- APPR = Glideslope Capture (within approach procedure to capture the glidepath to the runway)

VNAV button on the GMC will only work with a VNAV profile set by a GTN or G3XT (that is set to internal navigation). It will not operate with a 2" GNX/GNC/GPS as they do not support VNAV functions.
 
I can get the Garmin to capture the Glide path exactly as you describe from below by using only the "APPR" (approach) button on the AP controller before the FAF. It seems to ignore the actual VNAV button on the panel if you select that.
a different panel here, but the APR button I believe arms both Lateral and vertical guidance for the approach. It's a sort of shortcut for pressing NAV and VNAV buttons one after another. probably we are all saying the same thing - the vertical guidance won't work on these lower end units outside of capturing the approach GP.
 
Important to separate terms here:

- VNAV = Enroute Vertical Navigation (vertical coupling of the autopilot to a defined waypoint or IAF)
- APPR = Glideslope Capture (within approach procedure to capture the glidepath to the runway)

VNAV button on the GMC will only work with a VNAV profile set by a GTN or G3XT (that is set to internal navigation). It will not operate with a 2" GNX/GNC/GPS as they do not support VNAV functions.
Thank you. Yep, I watched the YT vid above and it confirmed the GNX-375 does not have VNAV as a feature. Bummer. I wish I had known - I might have gone to the 650 instead. Oh well.
 
a different panel here, but the APR button I believe arms both Lateral and vertical guidance for the approach. It's a sort of shortcut for pressing NAV and VNAV buttons one after another. probably we are all saying the same thing - the vertical guidance won't work on these lower end units outside of capturing the approach GP.
Yes sir. All clear now. Thanks! We were pulling our hair out last night trying to figure out why nothing was happening.
 
VNAV button on the GMC will only work with a VNAV profile set by a GTN or G3XT (that is set to internal navigation). It will not operate with a 2" GNX/GNC/GPS as they do not support VNAV functions.
Brad,

This isn't entirely correct.

As shown at 11:40 in the linked video in your first post, you do not have to change the G3X Touch to internal navigation to take advantage of the single point VNAV feature of the G3X Touch when using a 2" navigator like the GPS175, GNC355, or GNX375.

I have flown a G3X Touch system with a GNX 375 for many years and often use single point VNAV (armed via the GMC 507 VNAV button) while using the GNX 375 for external navigation.

I never use the VCALC function of the 2" navigator because the G3X Touch VNAV is no much more powerful and couples seamlessly with the autopilot.

Steve
 
you do not have to change the G3X Touch to internal navigation to take advantage of the single point VNAV feature of the G3X Touch when using a 2" navigator like the GPS175, GNC355, or GNX375.
Steve is correct... when used with an IFR navigator that doesn't provide its own enroute VNAV functionality, the G3X system can provide basic enroute VNAV guidance to a single flight plan waypoint. This functionality is basically equivalent to the VCALC feature offered by those navigators, but better integrated with the complete system. There's really no practical reason to use the VCALC feature on an IFR navigator if you have a G3X system.

And, all of this is quite separate from GPS approaches with vertical guidance (LPV, LNAV+V).
 
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In my area there are very few piston friendly SID/STARs where sequencing multiple crossing altitudes is common. An occasional ATC crossing restriction can be dealt with just the altitude bug and verified with the VCALC if some precision is needed. I don't know how in route VNAV can be an essential feature in most of the RV flights. It seems like a high performance turboprop/jet requirement. To me it's not worth multiple additional AUs.
 
In my area there are very few piston friendly SID/STARs where sequencing multiple crossing altitudes is common. An occasional ATC crossing restriction can be dealt with just the altitude bug and verified with the VCALC if some precision is needed. I don't know how in route VNAV can be an essential feature in most of the RV flights. It seems like a high performance turboprop/jet requirement. To me it's not worth multiple additional AUs.
When told to cross 'joblow' at xxx ft being able to do that with the VNAV and AP is almost as good as sex ;)
 
I was planning a 375 for my next plane and not having VNAV might put me back to the 650..... Didn't know what a timely thread!
With my luck I'll get a 650 and then they will upgrade the software in the 375 for vnav.....
Maybe it is just me, but unless one is doing scheduled air charter service, or routine heavy IFR, I think the GNX375 is just fine. The advantage of the GNX375, for experimentals, is that the GPS and adsb transponder are integrated, so it saves an expensive extra box. I only need to calculated Vnav once per flight. what else am i going to do while Otto is flying, watch a movie on my starlink/GDU460 display(with video in)? Now this is truly like an airliner
 
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