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Intake Plenum Mod

DanH

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Back when Barrett built my 390, there were fewer fuel injection choices. I wanted Airflow Performance, and elected to go with an FM-200, as Don Rivera had not yet invented the FM-150.

The early 390 uses the horizontal intake sump with an air plenum separate from the oil, and tuned length intake pipes. The mounting flange was sized for a Bendix RSA-5, meaning the diameter is 2-5/16". The FM-200 is larger, at 3-1/16" To mount an FM-200, Don created an adapter which necks down to the Bendix size. Here's a photo. The green gasket is the FM200 bore diameter. The hole is the RSA-5 diameter:

Adapter Restriction.jpg

I've long told myself if I ever had a reason to pull the sump, I was going to mod the flange to eliminate the restriction. Well, recently an oil leak developed. Ahhh, an excuse!

First task was to machine a new flange from billet, same thickness as the adapter.

New Flange.jpg

Weld the flange to the sump.

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Weld in additional material inside the oil chamber...

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...and under the chin, because....

Add material to underside of inlet.jpg

...the next step is to fire up a die grinder with an aluminum hog and cut away the restriction. Need the extra material so the upper ramp can extend to the larger diameter at the original angle, and the lower side can be cut level with the plenum floor. A few dabs of high temp epoxy filled the previous stud locations.

Welded and cut.jpg

Make a new gasket, bolt it up, go fly.

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Only one flight so far, and down low it was too windy and bumpy for WOT. Fairly smooth at 2500. Not bad for an old -8 with fat tires.

First run.jpg

I'll report more as I go. I'm really interested in cruise.
 
27.2 inches… what did it bounce up to ( normal fluctuating) . Did EGT change? ( as in leaner / more air ? )
 
I think Dan has the newer Hartzell Aluminum… I found it faster at 2650-2675 than 2700 ….
 
74" BA, F7497. No MP bounce. I use a restrictor and a very soft silicone hose.

I don't expect a large increase anywhere. Don Rivera and I got talking about it, so he ran the restrictor plate on the flow bench with an FM-200. The bench numbers say I might get an additional 0.2", maybe 0.3" Hg. Arguably it's not worth the trouble...except a little bit here and there adds up. In this case I lost a little speed to the 380-150-5 tires and taller wheel pants, and hopefully this will put it back.
 
Dan - as always very nice work.

While I’m a big fan of the new FM-150C I‘d guess your 390 likes the FM-200 better. I’ll be running that on the Cold Air Sump IO-540 (if I ever get to the top of Thunderbolt’s build list).

I’m still struggling with the inlet filter build for the new RV-10 James Cowl. I suspect I will just end up blatantly copying what you did.

Carl
 
Promised more after I flew it a while. I'm pleased. Here's a shot from late June, with numbers that have proven to be typical. Solo, toward the end of a long leg, so light on payload and fuel. Cowl door open, angle valve @23 BTDC fixed, peak EGT. As expected, it's not a big jump in speed, but a little here and a little there...

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Hi Dan.
Questions If you have time...?

Have you ever tried ( at top speed) to reduce MP one inch at a time to see how much speed you loose per inch?
Why did you mount the servo vertical instead of horizontal?
Are you using a air filter for those tests?
Does you MP increase much after about 3/4 butterfly opening?
Could you have mounted the FM-200 without machining and welding a new flange on the intake manifold?
Do you tune your injector restrictors by EGT or fuel flow? They are very close in temperature.
Why are you running 99 PSI of oil pressure?
How are you calculating total power?

Guess that's enough for now.
 
Hi Dan.
Questions If you have time...?

Have you ever tried ( at top speed) to reduce MP one inch at a time to see how much speed you loose per inch?
Why did you mount the servo vertical instead of horizontal?
Are you using a air filter for those tests?
Does you MP increase much after about 3/4 butterfly opening?
Could you have mounted the FM-200 without machining and welding a new flange on the intake manifold?
Do you tune your injector restrictors by EGT or fuel flow? They are very close in temperature.
Why are you running 99 PSI of oil pressure?
How are you calculating total power?

Guess that's enough for now.
Nope.
This one is horizontal.
Yes.
Define "much".
Sure, on an adapter.
Standard method.
Intermittent. Needs fixed.
EFIS does the math.
 
Nope.
This one is horizontal.
Yes.
Define "much".
Sure, on an adapter.
Standard method.
Intermittent. Needs fixed.
EFIS does the math.
Guess I wasn't very clear...

#2 I meant the butter fly orientation.
#4 I have the same set up and I find that the MP doesn't change after about 3/4 to full throttle position.
#5 I mounted mine by just opening up the intake hole in the sump, filling the existing stud holes with JB Weld, and drilling and inserting new studs. No welding.
#8 Do you know the equation?
Steve.
 
#5 I mounted mine by just opening up the intake hole in the sump, filling the existing stud holes with JB Weld, and drilling and inserting new studs. No welding.

The holes in the green AFP gasket define the stud locations for an FM200. What did you drill and tap for those new studs? All I see is air.

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