Aveo Conforma Wing tips - Vegas/Reno Edition

[kibrickj]

Anyone out there understand how the recognition lights work on the Vegas or Reno Edition of the new Aveo Winglets? Or the long range lights and wig wag function for the matter. Damien's replacement was sketchy on details, but he made it sound like the recognition lights have a the same function as wig wag but with the landing lights? Wiring diagram is out there on web site, but not clear on exact functionality with both the Vegas and Reno versions. I have one on pre-order, but trying to figure out exact functionality ahead of time if I can. Reno wiring diagram makes it sound like it a pulse function, while Vegas wiring diagrams makes it appear like the long range recognition lights are on all the time, but is unclear if the recognition switch drives a pulse or wig wag function.

The best I can discern is that wig wag only functions on the taxi lights, and only when the taxi lights are on and the wig wag switch is on in the Reno and Vegas version. As to the recognition function, not a clue other than what was previously stated. Aveo's new rep (Jakub) thought the landing lights pulse from one side to the other, similar to the the wig wag function. I think either he doesn't know or something is getting lost in translation. I was hoping to figure out or hoping someone actually saw one in action at Oshkosh or Sun n Fun.....

The wing tips looks fantastic, but I've heard complaints about their documentation....I think I'm starting to get where they are coming from.

Any thoughts from those that know appreciated.

 

[rdamazio]

Anyone out there understand how the recognition lights work on the Vegas or Reno Edition of the new Aveo Winglets? Or the long range lights and wig wag function for the matter. Damien's replacement was sketchy on details, but he made it sound like the recognition lights have a the same function as wig wag but with the landing lights? Wiring diagram is out there on web site, but not clear on exact functionality with both the Vegas and Reno versions. I have one on pre-order, but trying to figure out exact functionality ahead of time if I can. Reno wiring diagram makes it sound like it a pulse function, while Vegas wiring diagrams makes it appear like the long range recognition lights are on all the time, but is unclear if the recognition switch drives a pulse or wig wag function.

The best I can discern is that wig wag only functions on the taxi lights, and only when the taxi lights are on and the wig wag switch is on in the Reno and Vegas version. As to the recognition function, not a clue other than what was previously stated. Aveo's new rep (Jakub) thought the landing lights pulse from one side to the other, similar to the the wig wag function. I think either he doesn't know or something is getting lost in translation. I was hoping to figure out or hoping someone actually saw one in action at Oshkosh or Sun n Fun.....

I talked to them (both Damien, Jakub, and a bit to one of their engineers) extensively about this (and I'm among the first few in line for the Vegas) - I understand the recog lights were originally developed for military applications and are similar to a laser (if anyone here is a laser scientist or engineer, don't freak out, I'm using the term loosely ) so it should stay visible for a long distance (they claim 30nm). The wig-wag thing is indeed a bit weird but I wired per their diagram (except I used the same switch for taxi and wig-wag, and for landing and recog).

The wing tips looks fantastic, but I've heard complaints about their documentation....I think I'm starting to get where they are coming from.

Good news is, I'm planning to write my own documentation once I install them so hopefully that'll make it easier.

Here's what I'm doing for wiring and switches:



(I'll eventually get proper engravings updated)

 

[dmattmul]

Started the install process for the Aveo Vegas wing tips. Really nicely done. Amp readings are well within their specification. Recognition lighting flash rate looks very similar to the strobe lighting and will need to see if the synch is able to time both. The dimming function allows all lights to run at 25% of intensity (About 2 amps per wingtip) to check if they are working on the walk-around. Also great to provide lighting for nighttime loading and unloading.

 

[kibrickj]

Started the install process for the Aveo Vegas wing tips. Really nicely done. Amp readings are well within their specification. Recognition lighting flash rate looks very similar to the strobe lighting and will need to see if the synch is able to time both. The dimming function allows all lights to run at 25% of intensity (About 2 amps per wingtip) to check if they are working on the walk-around. Also great to provide lighting for nighttime loading and unloading.

So if I am interpreting/inferring correctly from the combination of what you said and the version of the wiring diagram attached , the recognition long range circuit (purple 18 gauge in diagram), causes recognition lights to flash? Do the recognition lights come on steady with the landing lights circuit on? Did the wig wag require the taxi lights to be on?....Really great to hear that you like the quality overall. Surprised the functionality of the dimming function was not as very specifically specified in diagram.

 

[dmattmul]

So if I am interpreting/inferring correctly from the combination of what you said and the version of the wiring diagram attached , the recognition long range circuit (purple 18 gauge in diagram), causes recognition lights to flash? Do the recognition lights come on steady with the landing lights circuit on? Did the wig wag require the taxi lights to be on?....Really great to hear that you like the quality overall. Surprised the functionality of the dimming function was not as very specifically specified in diagram.

To date I have only removed them from the packaging and did an amp draw every circuit. I was not sure exactly how the maintenance mode function operates but with power on that circuit and no power to the rest of the circuits all came on 25% (Strobes just came on 25% and did not flash). When I activated the taxi or landing light it came on 25% and the rest of the lights went out when in maintenance mode. I am a little constrained with the number of switches to use as my panel is already complete and 99% of the harness wiring in. Adding wires is still ok but cutting holes is a little troublesome. I am out of switch positions in the AeroSport 310 panel. The wiring diagram says ground Illum or tail logo and they mean and tail logo. Having both on would be ok for me. I was thinking of just adding that to the Nav switch since that will be on almost 100% of the time and having ground and tail on also ok. I did not try recognition with other combination of switches and when I ran it basically strobed with the existing strobe lights. (They are very bright and even during the daytime I saw dots for a while when I looked on the wall of my hangar the reflection) The synch line keeps strobes and recognition timed correctly. I asked Aveo about combining recognition and synch and the response was not to do it as they are separate functions and no other explanation. I did not see anywhere where the recognition light stopped flashing when another circuit was activated but will try that in the next few days. The bonding circuit has me confused. Was told to tie these lines together and then go to ground by Aveo. The wiring diagram shows to just tie each to ground. Seems that would be ok, but Aveo was insistent when I asked about the bonding circuit function to do it this way. More to come it seems.

 

[dmattmul]

Recognition light is also one of the landing lights so when you turn landing light on recognition light comes on. If you have the recognition switch on it will continue to flash with landing lights on. Recognition light (0.4 amps per side) to me is not as bright as landing (3.0 amps per side) or taxi (1.5 amps per side) when looking at it from 150 ft. It's all very nice lighting and every bit as bright if not brighter than older Zip Tips. I really like the maintenance mode that will provide ample lighting for nighttime ground operations loading and unloading along with light inspection for a walk around. Ground and rudder lighting are excellent. (Vegas wingtip sitting on top of the 14 wingtip, in the cockpit was not distracting)

 

[kibrickj]

Great info! I take it wig wag doesn't need taxi light circuit powered? You are giving me the confidence to move forward with panel planning/wiring without having the actual product.

 

[Jpm757]

Great info! I take it wig wag doesn't need taxi light circuit powered? You are giving me the confidence to move forward with panel planning/wiring without having the actual product.

I have an early set of Aveo Zip Tips and they also have 2 sets of lights. I tied the taxi and landing lights together so they all turn on with one 3 position switch, ON, OFF, WIG WAG.

 

[Geoff Wilson]

Looking for a general cost for a pair of the Aveo Vegas wing-tips?
Also, does anyone have info on aerodynamic effects of these swept wing tips? Changes in stall speed, etc.?

 

[CaptPausert]

back in March I got quoted $4450 for the vegas, $4200 for the reno and $3850 for the classic for the RV-9A I am building. I am guessing it might be a bit more for the RV-10

 

[kibrickj]

Looking for a general cost for a pair of the Aveo Vegas wing-tips?
Also, does anyone have info on aerodynamic effects of these swept wing tips? Changes in stall speed, etc.?

Don't have any direct info on aerodynamic effects, but there was one thread out there I had found previously of a guy that had the original Aveo wing tip and converted to the winglet. He didn't notice any meaningful change in stall, efficiency, or flight characteristics. Take it for what its worth.

 

[jehardy]

I'm wrestling with this all now. Vegas' were brand new, and the wiring harness and switches were set for the Aveo III I think. I've got the taxi/nav/strobes all working well. I have the purple, white, green, and brown wires disconnected at his point. When I turn the Landing Light on. . . . the "recognition Long Range" lights come on also. Their website show them glowing separately. . . . hmmmm. In the III's there were 2 or three wires that just linked between the tips, and only ONE on this Vegas, the Blue wire.

• Find power to the purple, Recognition Long range (which is already lit!?) wondering if it will cause a problem?
• Find power for the dimmer circuit (probably bundle with the Brown for the under wing lights
• Find power for the Green for the wig wag command.

Other than these wire diagrams, I have seen zero info on operation, installation or trouble shooting to have a clue of what to expect of these lights. Anything downloaded from their website is only from their individual light systems. HELP!!!! (wish they would be on this forum to help.

 

[kibrickj]

I'm wrestling with this all now. Vegas' were brand new, and the wiring harness and switches were set for the Aveo III I think. I've got the taxi/nav/strobes all working well. I have the purple, white, green, and brown wires disconnected at his point. When I turn the Landing Light on. . . . the "recognition Long Range" lights come on also. Their website show them glowing separately. . . . hmmmm. In the III's there were 2 or three wires that just linked between the tips, and only ONE on this Vegas, the Blue wire.

• Find power to the purple, Recognition Long range (which is already lit!?) wondering if it will cause a problem?
• Find power for the dimmer circuit (probably bundle with the Brown for the under wing lights
• Find power for the Green for the wig wag command.

Other than these wire diagrams, I have seen zero info on operation, installation or trouble shooting to have a clue of what to expect of these lights. Anything downloaded from their website is only from their individual light systems. HELP!!!! (wish they would be on this forum to help.

Hope this helps. Got from sales representative.

Aveo Ziptip Vegas/Reno manual

INSTALLATION MANUAL ZipTips Vegas / Reno / Classic AVE-ZT{V,R,C}{48,9,1014}{R,L}-T01 (RV-10) AVE-ZT{V,R,C}48{R,L}-T01 (RV4-8) AVE-ZT{V,R,C}9{R,L}-T01 (RV-9) TABLE OF CONTENTS Part 0 Document Administration 3 0.1 Document Approval 3 0.2 Amendment Record Procedure 4 0.3 Affected Pa...

docs.google.com

 

[jehardy]

Hope this helps. Got from sales representative.

Aveo Ziptip Vegas/Reno manual

INSTALLATION MANUAL ZipTips Vegas / Reno / Classic AVE-ZT{V,R,C}{48,9,1014}{R,L}-T01 (RV-10) AVE-ZT{V,R,C}48{R,L}-T01 (RV4-8) AVE-ZT{V,R,C}9{R,L}-T01 (RV-9) TABLE OF CONTENTS Part 0 Document Administration 3 0.1 Document Approval 3 0.2 Amendment Record Procedure 4 0.3 Affected Pa...

docs.google.com

Thank you!

 

[dmattmul]

I'm wrestling with this all now. Vegas' were brand new, and the wiring harness and switches were set for the Aveo III I think. I've got the taxi/nav/strobes all working well. I have the purple, white, green, and brown wires disconnected at his point. When I turn the Landing Light on. . . . the "recognition Long Range" lights come on also. Their website show them glowing separately. . . . hmmmm. In the III's there were 2 or three wires that just linked between the tips, and only ONE on this Vegas, the Blue wire.

• Find power to the purple, Recognition Long range (which is already lit!?) wondering if it will cause a problem?
• Find power for the dimmer circuit (probably bundle with the Brown for the under wing lights
• Find power for the Green for the wig wag command.

Other than these wire diagrams, I have seen zero info on operation, installation or trouble shooting to have a clue of what to expect of these lights. Anything downloaded from their website is only from their individual light systems. HELP!!!! (wish they would be on this forum to help.

When I tested my Vegas ZT's each wire before installing performed as expected for all wires. The one big difference between early models and these is previously to get wig wag you grounded the wig wag function to operate. If you are wired for Aveo III's most likely wig wag function will be grounded and probably not good for the Vegas model. To date I have about 50 hrs. of operation and they have performed well. I really like the maintenance mode to supply lighting for ground operations at night since they all come on about 25% lighting output. I had to group several of the wires since I had a limited number of switches (See earlier post) but to date works well.

 

[N10KE]

Don't have any direct info on aerodynamic effects, but there was one thread out there I had found previously of a guy that had the original Aveo wing tip and converted to the winglet. He didn't notice any meaningful change in stall, efficiency, or flight characteristics. Take it for what its worth.

What about flutter speed? With all the recent concerns about ER fuel tanks and their effect on flutter speed on the RV-10 & 14 - I would think that a device that changes the spanwise lift distribution could have an adverse effect on flutter speed. Especially if the ailerons (reportedly) are the limiting component. A little surprised Van’s hasn’t commented on these like they did with the Safety Notice SN-0108.

 

[johntwilcox]

I talked to them (both Damien, Jakub, and a bit to one of their engineers) extensively about this (and I'm among the first few in line for the Vegas) - I understand the recog lights were originally developed for military applications and are similar to a laser (if anyone here is a laser scientist or engineer, don't freak out, I'm using the term loosely ) so it should stay visible for a long distance (they claim 30nm). The wig-wag thing is indeed a bit weird but I wired per their diagram (except I used the same switch for taxi and wig-wag, and for landing and recog).


Good news is, I'm planning to write my own documentation once I install them so hopefully that'll make it easier.

Here's what I'm doing for wiring and switches:
View attachment 58709

View attachment 58710
(I'll eventually get proper engravings updated)

If you wouldn't mind me asking, what did you create your wiring diagram with?

Thx

 

[jehardy]

If you wouldn't mind me asking, what did you create your wiring diagram with?

Thx

The entire harness and panel was created by Midwest Panel Builders. https://midwestpanels.com/ I don't fault them for the issues as they wired according to the only thing available at the time.