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Old 11-24-2020, 04:24 PM
sam@riddlehill.com sam@riddlehill.com is offline
 
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This is my first (or nearly so) post of what I imagine to be many. Here's a list of the progress made so far on my project:
1. Mission decision: I wanted airplane that's reasonably fast cruise for "short" hops, 2 place, room for at least an overnight bag. Also important...I want to go upside down again. Something in which I'd be comfortable doing proficient gentlemanly aerobatics, but has a bit of a safety margin for "marginally" proficient gentlemanly aerobatics. After narrowing it down between the -8 and the -14, and after some hands on and discussion, the wife OK'd either. After specifically ensuring that the "tandem" design didn't bother her in the least, I chose the -8...simply because I was more excited about the -8.
2. I filled out a form, spoke with Barb at Van's, wrote a check, was found worthy (my check cleared) and placed on the waitlist for a QB kit.
3. I'm building the empennage this February at Synergy South. I'm unsure to what extent I'll build the rest at Synergy, but I'm confident I'll get a good feel for much of the tooling, pace, process, technique, etc that will be required...less initial head scratching and more initial doing.

That's it to date.

First question: I assume that taking delivery of a new kit or finding a barely second-hand RV-8 QB kit more quickly than the current 8 month lead is unlikely...? Life-wise and job-wise, I could put in A LOT of building over the next 12 months...if I had the kit.

Next Step: Finish researching and make the decisions/orders that will cause any significant delay once my wing/fuse kits are delivered.

Thanks to VAF for the site and community. I've learned a lot just lurking!
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Old 01-24-2021, 09:06 PM
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Mission: Build an airplane that will comfortably transport two people and their overnight bags on flights up to 4 hours, in IMC/MVFR/Night conditions. When being AT the destination is the goal, the aircraft should cruise as fast as possible, otherwise the aircraft should maximize opportunities to simply enjoy flying while enroute from A to B (or from A to A). The aircraft, once completed, should allow the possibility of a happy, long retirement. The aircraft should be of a tandem design, and the model number shall end in ‘8’ and start with ‘RV-’.

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Producing and trying to clarify the mission statement has been a good exercise for me. Nerdy and overkill and anal...yes. But good also. It’s been a productive way for me to be realistic about what I want to build, why, and how. Also, there is a wait list for Van’s kits, so it's not like I'll be pounding rivets soon (Not for reals anyway). So, there are some major decisions yet to be made, and I hope to use this statement and any comments as a checklist to think through some of those big decisions now to cut down on stalls, outright guesses and errors later.

Any good lawyer could use most of the above statements to justify building the next space shuttle, or a glorified ultralight. So, here’s what this means to me at the moment, starting with the first and last bold highlighted theme.




Build an airplane… I want to build an airplane. Basic, but there are RV fans that just want an RV...so I start here. I don’t need to turn every nut or crunch the wind tunnel data...but I want to be part of the construction. I want to be part of the design. If the QB kit leaves me yearning for more “me go build now!!” moments...the bugs will have been worked out of the RV-15 kits when my fly off is done.

shall end in ‘8’ and start with ‘RV-’.” A truly unbiased examination would have begun with an open mind about all the aircraft kits available. I have liked the RV-8 from the get-go. Like many, I’ve been courting the experimental idea for years. I’ve had the RV-8 plans thumbdrive for...three years now? I love the tandem seats. For me, they are more comfortable, and the wife is fine with it. Although biased toward the -8, I invite alternative ideas. The decision to build a Van’s kit is due to research that led me to view Van’s product, community and support as the best out there in terms of what a first time builder needs in order to finish a kit.
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Old 01-25-2021, 01:15 AM
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3. I'm building the empennage this February at Synergy South. I'm unsure to what extent I'll build the rest at Synergy, but I'm confident I'll get a good feel for much of the tooling, pace, process, technique, etc that will be required...less initial head scratching and more initial doing.

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I did something similar with a different company when I built my tail kit and it was an excellent experience for me. I learned a lot of valuable skills, and came away with the confidence to handle the metal parts of the build. Doing it again, I'd also find something for fiberglass fabrication. I finally found some videos, and my fiberglass hero, DanH.

I'm flying and I can tell you it's really a fun aircraft. Build it like Van's recommends and you'll have an excellent machine.
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Old 01-25-2021, 10:17 AM
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Really cool start to this build, with the detailed mission statement. I'm really looking forward to a detailed report with photos from the Synergy empennage build.
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Old 01-26-2021, 09:51 AM
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I did something similar with a different company when I built my tail kit and it was an excellent experience for me. I learned a lot of valuable skills, and came away with the confidence to handle the metal parts of the build. Doing it again, I'd also find something for fiberglass fabrication. I finally found some videos, and my fiberglass hero, DanH.

I'm flying and I can tell you it's really a fun aircraft. Build it like Van's recommends and you'll have an excellent machine.
Congrats on your build Mickey. Looks great! I just looked through your build pages...very nice. Super helpful.
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Old 01-26-2021, 10:00 AM
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Really cool start to this build, with the detailed mission statement. I'm really looking forward to a detailed report with photos from the Synergy empennage build.
Thanks David. The plan is to document heavily, and offer it up for help/criticism/education here. I look forward to getting my hands dirty.
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Old 01-26-2021, 10:10 AM
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Default Mission definition: Comfortable

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Mission: Build an airplane that will comfortably transport two people and their overnight bags on flights up to 4 hours, in IMC/MVFR/Night conditions. When being AT the destination is the goal, the aircraft should cruise as fast as possible, otherwise the aircraft should maximize opportunities to simply enjoy flying while enroute from A to B (or from A to A). The aircraft, once completed, should allow the possibility of a happy, long retirement. The aircraft should be of a tandem design, and the model number shall end in ‘8’ and start with ‘RV-’.

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"Comfortably..." I assume that a directly proportional relationship will exist as to the aircraft’s overall comfort and the overall flight time/sorties. A successful design will therefore create a condition that, in general, results in the least amount of time between the end of one sortie, and being physically, mentally and economically ready for the next sortie.

Note: “comfort” includes, but shall not be limited to: physical comfort (seats, environmentals), mental/Psychological/fatigue comforts (redundant systems, autopilot) and other less obvious issues (expensive nearby hanger vs distant but much cheaper hanger). See related notes on “long happy retirement” and “IFR..” equipment specifications.
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Old 01-27-2021, 11:46 AM
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Default Mission: Overnight bags

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Mission: Build an airplane that will comfortably transport two people and their overnight bags on flights up to 4 hours, in IMC/MVFR/Night conditions. When being AT the destination is the goal, the aircraft should cruise as fast as possible, otherwise the aircraft should maximize opportunities to simply enjoy flying while enroute from A to B (or from A to A). The aircraft, once completed, should allow the possibility of a happy, long retirement. The aircraft should be of a tandem design, and the model number shall end in ‘8’ and start with ‘RV-’.

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Overnight bags ...literally, overnight bags. Toiletry kits, enough clothing to not feel disgusting if we don’t wanna do laundry on the 2nd night, plus critical spares and safety items as the mission may require. When/If more stuff is needed on the trip, we assume that WalMart, FedEx, and the Quickie Mart will take care of the rest. (Yes, the spouse agrees with this specification.)
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Old 01-31-2021, 01:59 PM
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Mission: Build an airplane that will comfortably transport two people and their overnight bags on flights up to 4 hours, in IMC/MVFR/Night conditions. When being AT the destination is the goal, the aircraft should cruise as fast as possible, otherwise the aircraft should maximize opportunities to simply enjoy flying while enroute from A to B (or from A to A). The aircraft, once completed, should allow the possibility of a happy, long retirement. The aircraft should be of a tandem design, and the model number shall end in ‘8’ and start with ‘RV-’.

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Up to 4 hours... There is no real rhyme or reason to this specification...I just figured the aircraft legs should take maximum advantage of the money I spent getting a high cruise speed, yet not waste money on range that my bladder won't allow.
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Old 01-31-2021, 03:37 PM
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Up to 4 hours... There is no real rhyme or reason to this specification...I just figured the aircraft legs should take maximum advantage of the money I spent getting a high cruise speed, yet not waste money on range that my bladder won't allow.
If you look at some of the recent posts by DanH and others that are displaying their airspeed/altitude/and fuel burn, I think you should be able to get 4 hours out of the standard tanks.

https://vansairforce.net/community/s....php?p=1311286

https://vansairforce.net/community/s...&postcount=301

These are some really nice aircraft!
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