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Old 01-17-2021, 11:28 PM
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OK, what are you guys using to glue the little squares for zip ties for hoses or wires inside of aircraft? And, do you need to sand down to raw aluminum to make it stick?
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Old 01-17-2021, 11:56 PM
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Goop or Shoe Goo is what I remember using.

MEK or acetone clean the alum surface.
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Old 01-18-2021, 01:29 AM
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Just get the commercially available ones with 3 M adhesive back ...never had one pull off ....or buy 3 M emblem tape at auto parts store and make your own . Clean with Alcohol ......stick on over primer
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Old 01-18-2021, 07:22 AM
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The ones I bought with the tape on it (not 3M) wouldn't hold. I scraped the tape off, roughed up plastic and aluminum where it was attaching with 80 grit. Then used JB Weld Plastic bond for adhesion. It has a quick set time. I did find the aluminum needs roughed up for it to stick really well.
https://www.amazon.com/J-B-Weld-5013.../dp/B009EU5ZMK
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Old 01-18-2021, 08:38 AM
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Pro Seal or urethane adhesive - but scuff and clean with denatured alcohol. I would put 5+ into a small yogurt cup cover (all sitting on the bottom) with lighter fluid and cap. They would be clear of adhesive the next day.

edit: where possible I did the center-hole-pull-rivet method as the build progressed as it is a pita to pro seal them.
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Old 01-18-2021, 08:48 AM
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I sand and clean the plastic after removing the provided tape. Then use 3M VHB or similar high strength tape. Has worked very well so far.

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Old 01-18-2021, 08:51 AM
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Appreciate the help guys!
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Old 01-18-2021, 09:08 AM
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I have used Shoe Goo in the past and don't ever recall having one of those pop off (unlike the ones with foam tape - I consider those temporary....). But my current favorite stuff is ClickBond adhesive - it is a two-part concoction that is used in military and commercial aircraft and just doesn’t fail. I like it better than Shoe Goo because it cures in about twenty minutes.

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Old 01-18-2021, 09:09 AM
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You can purchase the ones that do not have the adhesive on the bottom.
I like to:
Rough up the bottom of the squares on a piece of sand paper.
Rough up the spot where you are planning to put it with a piece of sandpaper.
Clean both with alcohol.
Attach with some 5 min epoxy. (I use either the clear Gorilla stuff or JB WEld)

I typically put a tie wrap in the slot, not zipped, as a handle and to keep the epoxy from getting in the slots when installing.

On one plane I was working on, the builder bonded them to the airframe, but didn't remove the adhesive and covering. Just bonded the paper to the aluminum and they all came loose in the heat. Right idea, bad execution. A gooey mess!
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Old 01-18-2021, 09:09 AM
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There is a "heavy duty" thick, white, double-sided tape for hanging pictures etc that works well. The backing tape is red as opposed to the white backing tape for the "regular strength" tape. The clear tape didn't seem to work as well and it's the devils work to get the clear backing tape off of it. The fittings like you describe that I have used it on have stayed stuck. WalMart, I believe. Scrape the old stuff off and put this on, cut to size.

Loctite makes a clear adhesive called Power Grab that STICKS things. The wiring, including the power cables and GPS antennae cable that comes from the aft area of the fuselage, has been stuck in place along the underside of the stringers with something similar and, changing the antennae cable recently, had to work hard to PRY it off of the stringer and curved underside of the bulkhead. I put it where I did not want to diminish the strength of the stringer by drilling holes and all aft of the baggage compartment, not in the cockpit. The Locktite stuff sticks NOW and cures in 24 hours. Be prepared to work on it if you have to relocate the cables you use it on.

ClickBond is wicked strong as well. Especially if the part is never going to move.......!
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