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  #51  
Old 07-28-2022, 09:54 AM
tthrew tthrew is offline
 
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Default Pointing HBC planes into the prevailing west wind

Several discussions with EAA about parking HBC planes, nose pointed west instead of east. I have heard that this will happen next year.
And Dan57, it was a joy to meet you and discuss your trip.
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Old 07-28-2022, 11:20 AM
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Pointing HBC the other way would be turning their backs on show central.

Until we manage mother nature, there is no solution.

That said, I'm sorry to hear about the damage some are seeing. And I'm also reading with great interest which chock and lock techniques are working best. I have "The Claw" and the ASA Ultimate Gust Lock. So far so good with that combo.
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Old 07-28-2022, 11:40 AM
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I was wondering if anyone turned their plane into the wind. I'm not there this year and don't have my plane done yet, but that was the first thing I thought of. Doesn't it make sense to have it pointed into the wind as much as possible?
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Old 07-28-2022, 12:07 PM
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Default What failed first?

After reading all these comments, I can't understand what occurred first?
Rudder gust lock failed, resulting in rudder slamming back and forth and finally bending the rudder?
Or, rudder gust lock holding tight and wind force bending the rudder out of shape?
I am sorry to hear of the damage, especially having to deal with it away from home at a time when you want to enjoy yourself.
I hope this will turn into an educational thread before it fizzles out.
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Old 07-28-2022, 12:18 PM
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There were at least 7 damaged rudders in HBC this year, some minor, some needing replaced or patched before flying out.

In 2019, the storm busted my gust lock to pieces, then slammed my rudder past the deflection point (i.e., it "bent" but did return to the original shape) and put a hole in the side of the rudder.

The problem with into the wind is that it will generate lift over the wings and could pull it right out of the ground.

At 75-90mph winds, all bets are off ... luck of the draw ... I feel the ops pain
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Old 07-28-2022, 12:21 PM
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Default Larry’s replacement Rudder is being installed as I type this.

Scott McDaniels picked it up from where it was shipped to and I drove the customer and the rudder out to his plane with the vans golf cart. He’s putting it on now. A picture attached. The spare rudder came from Randy Richmond in Dallas Texas. It was hanging on his wall. :-)

What a wonderful story to be able to help this gentleman out.

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[update 7/28/2022: It’s installed and Larry is planning on flying home tomorrow. V/r,dr]


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Worse damage I found nearby my row 315 is Larry’s RV14A. He had a gust lock on it but 50+ kts twisted it anyway. Pix will be below. He’s looking for ideas from those that know more as to temporary fix, if needed, to get home 1800 miles away. He’s asked me to post this and will watch for replies. If anyone can help please reply here.
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Old 07-28-2022, 12:25 PM
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Default Regarding the OP 14 rudder . . .

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After reading all these comments, I can't understand what occurred first?
Rudder gust lock failed, resulting in rudder slamming back and forth and finally bending the rudder?
Or, rudder gust lock holding tight and wind force bending the rudder out of shape?
I am sorry to hear of the damage, especially having to deal with it away from home at a time when you want to enjoy yourself.
I hope this will turn into an educational thread before it fizzles out.
Hard to really say, but I believe the gust lock has some spring and slop. This allowed it to swing back and forth; the movement tended to push the lock closer to the pivot giving greater angle of range and the spring stretch of the nylon has higher dynamic force. Bothe the dynamic force allowed enough range to contact the elevator and an impact like loading on the top of the rudder. Just my imagination . . . .YIMV
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Old 07-28-2022, 03:19 PM
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I've never had any damage from parking at either Osh or SnF. Of course that may be because I've never flown my plane into KNOWN hazardous areas and tied down.... Every year I read these reports and I just don't get it. Seems like a roll of the dice to me.

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Old 07-28-2022, 03:32 PM
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I feel lucky to not have any damage to my rudder, but my ASA ultimate gust lock did bend. When I tried to compact it for the trip home it would bind up and not collapse beyond where it was set. When I got home it had a gap of 1/16th inch along the inner sleeve at the center of the bend.
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Old 07-28-2022, 04:09 PM
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My airplane was parked adjacent to the RV-7 with the badly damaged rudder.

The Antisplat Aero Ultimate gust lock held well for me.
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