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Old 12-23-2020, 10:10 AM
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Default What have I forgotten that goes in a panel?

So my panel layout is finally coming together and I'm looking to get it laser-cut soon so I can start wiring in switches etc. Avionics will be dummy boxes for now so I can do the wiring. But I'm trying to think if I've forgotten anything. What I have provisions for now:

Equipment on the panel:
Dynon 10" display (probably HDX)
AP button and knob panels
Com radio and intercom
IFR GPS
SDS ECU programmer
Blank space for standby attitude (D3?) or cellphone mount
2 dual USB ports for data cards
Alternator warning lights (2)
ELT remote


Switches and controls
Engine bus power (2)
Fuel pumps (2)
Ignitions (2)
ECU select
Starter
Main bus bat/alt
Aux bus bat/alt
Bus tie
Main and aux Alt CBs
Nav
Strobe
Land/recog
Taxi/flood
Pitot heat
Aux fuel transfer (L/R)
Trim power disconnect
AP servo power disconnect
RH stick disconnect
Interior lighting switches/dimmer knobs (4 ea... may not use them all, but I have space them)
Smoke arm
Throttle
Prop
SDS mixture knob


Equipment located elsewhere:
Fuse panels (behind panel)
Headphone jacks (on F-902 bulkheads)
USB/12V power ports (on F-902 bulkheads)
Seat heat switches (location TBD but not on panel)
Tablet mount (under throttle, mounted to pump cover)


On sticks:
Trim
PTT
Com flip/flop
Smoke
Flaps
AP disconnect


Items to add based on feedback:
Smoke on indicator light
Battery fault lights

Maybes:
Alt static source
Standalone slip indicator (ball)
Remote ident button


What am I missing? What have I forgotten?
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:18 AM
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Not mounted, no cutout needed, but you might consider the Dynon WiFi adapter. It plugs into one of your USB ports and, among other things, will let you upload flight planning from your iPad to your Dynon EFIS, or change flight planning on both devices on-the-fly. It's (relatively) cheap at about $50.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:27 AM
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Something lots of folks forget, but good if you plan to fly IFR: An alternate static switch. Mounts on the panel inline with your static line. Open if you lose your external static port for some reason (rain, ice, etc.). Stein has them for <$20.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:37 AM
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Not sure about Dynon but maybe you want to add a TOGA switch. I didn't know about it so I don't have one yet.

Also I'm not sure I would put the cabin heat right next to the mixture control. That's just me though.

I have the Infiniti grips and my hands aren't really big enough to hit the pinky switch comfortably. I don't think I have that small of hand either, but you might check your reach to that switch. I may not use it or use it for something that is infrequently used.
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Old 12-23-2020, 10:50 AM
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1. Forgot to mention the wifi dongle... yep, planning on that (itís one of the things that swayed my final decision vs. GRT)

2. Alt static... good idea, may retrofit... but that means running a dedicated line up there. Decisions, decisions... Also, Iím not (yet) IFR rated. Thatís in the plans for after Iím flying...

3. I donít think Dynon supports a TOGA button...

4. Mixtureís a small, guarded pot knob, not a pull/vernier, and eventually infrequently used once the ECUís dialed in (electronic fuel injection). But cabin heat might move a bit as I fiddle with control placement.

5. Iíve had the opportunity to fly two different airplanes with Infinity grips but never thought to check the pinky button placement. Itís a good point; Iíll try to remember to check that if I get access to one of them in the next couple weeks.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:07 AM
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1. Don't buy Dynon until after you have talked with Rob Hickman at AFS.
2. The knob panel may not be necessary. May be just a duplication of controls
that are on the EFIS (as with my AFS 5600)
3. I never like seeing toggle switches at the bottom of the panel. Too easy to
damage or accidentally activate getting in or out. Use rocker switches.
4. Consider the GRT Mini for standby attitude indicator.
5. Leave enough space for the Garmin 650 or Avidyne 440 GPS Navigator. If
you decide on the smaller Garmin (175/375) there will be very little wasted
space.
6. Eventual addition of second radio will require audio panel. Can be remote,
but needs to be considered.
7. Unless you have a rear view mirror, you need a visual or aural warning of
smoke on. Otherwise eventually you will find yourself wasting a lot of
smoke oil.
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Old 12-23-2020, 11:27 AM
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1. A big factor in choosing Dynon was that I have a fair bit of time behind a Skyview classic in my dad's -6. It's a familiar and (to me) intuitive interface compared to the AFS and Garmin setups I tried out at Oshkosh.

2. The AP controls are accessible through the screen but it's kinda clunky. The knob and AP buttons are worth it to me.

3. Too used to the toggles at this point (from Dad's airplane; never had that problem there) and locking rockers are like hen's teeth. Besides, all the toggle switches just showed up on my porch Monday... too late now.

4. I did, but it's just a smidge too big to fit. D3 can go on the glareshield too, if necessary.

5. Wish I had that kind of money.

6. If i get to that point I can cut a new panel and move a couple switches to make room in the center stack. That will be years down the road, if at all.

7. Hmm. There is space for that...
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I didnít see transponder and adsb on your list.
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I didnít see transponder and adsb on your list.
Yes, remote mounted. Just forgot to mention those, because mainly I'm thinking/asking about things physically located on the panel.
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You might consider a CO detector. Also, what about a wig-wag switch?
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