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View Poll Results: What kind of checklist do you use?
Checklist from memory 67 22.64%
Printed manufacturer's checklist 26 8.78%
Electronic (PDA device) manufacturer's checklist 4 1.35%
Printed custom checklist 196 66.22%
Electronic (PDA device) custom checklist 18 6.08%
Multiple Choice Poll. Voters: 296. You may not vote on this poll

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Old 01-30-2010, 11:58 AM
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My check list is the manufacturers + my own notations. I dont deviate from the manufacturers at all...just add my own safety envelope to it.
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:19 PM
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this one went off the tracks pretty quick... :-/
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Old 01-30-2010, 07:22 PM
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this one went off the tracks pretty quick... :-/
Yeah, maybe a little. Sounds like checklist threads may belong in the "never ending debate" section.
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Old 01-31-2010, 10:56 PM
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Read Do / Do Verify

This is actually making me a little sick to my stomach. I would never not use a checklist. Not only for me, but for my family.

I fly around 700 hours a year, and I miss items every day. My flows are verified by the checklist. It is not because I am a bad pilot, it is because there are some things beyond my control. You can be the best/smartest pilot out there. You never know when some situation could distract you no matter how minute it could be. I have never flown an RV. I wish to someday, and hopefully turn into a builder. Teaching in "lesser" aircraft I have seen many students get caught up in poor checklist usage. More than one time these probably would have resulted in incidents/accidents. Not only primary students but Commercial and CFI candidates. "Trap the Error."

If you are concerned about emergency actions at low level, how about create some "Memory Items" to deal with the situation, then practice them. Proceed to the checklist after the items are complete if you have time to make sure you did not miss anything.


I am sorry for the rant. It is only because I care about making this a safe hobby/lifestyle. Maybe I am too much of a wimp.

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Old 02-01-2010, 05:55 AM
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Just because there are times when it's appropriate to fly the plane instead of pulling a checklist out (aviate, navigate, communicate in the order ) does not mean a pilot shouldn't have a checklist and make use of it at the appropriate time. .........................
That statement I agree with, but "appropriate time" is subjective.

If you read your before landing checklist at 5000 AGL and then operate in the pattern from memory, then you are operating from memory. That is not fundamentally different from reviewing it in your living room before flight and then operating from memory. Its just a matter of the time lag between the last review and memory recall.

I guess most pilots use some form of hybrid approach to check lists, but there was no such option in this poll.

As I wrote in my first post, I have a custom check list, but rarely refer to it in flight. Except the "before takeoff" checklist, which I always refer to.

When I'm flying an unfamiliar airplane I keep an abbreviated checklist handy (and use it) for procedures and airspeeds because I don't trust my memory on something I do infrequently. Messing with the checklists in flight makes me a less safe pilot in these airplanes.

Ideally, I would have a screen on the panel in which I could pull up a custom checklist which was easily visible, but did not interfere with any flight instruments. In that case only a glance would be required to get action reminders. I don't have one of those.

Anyway, I don't claim to have found the ideal balance between memory and reading in terms of checklist safety, but its one that seems to be working. I frequent this site and subscribe to several aviation publications to continually refine my thoughts on all safety subjects. This one included.
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Old 02-01-2010, 07:07 AM
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Ideally, I would have a screen on the panel in which I could pull up a custom checklist which was easily visible, but did not interfere with any flight instruments. In that case only a glance would be required to get action reminders. I don't have one of those.
This is a very good way to do it IMHO. I used an electronic checklist displayed on one of the screens for many years at work.
It was always notable, when the electronic checklist was not working and we had to revert to paper, how clumsy and intrusive it felt after being used to the electronic.
I have a similar set up with the Vertical Power on my RV. I control it with a button on the stick. Works great. Someone mentioned memory items for those few things that require very fast and accurate response, and that is pretty much the way the pro's do it. The list of emergencies requiring lightning fast response is pretty short. A quick response that is the wrong response can make things a whole lot worse than the original problem.
Wasn't there an old joke about the brand new First Officer asking the seasoned Captain "what is the first thing you do in an emergency?" and the crusty old Captain responded "I wind my watch!"
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Old 02-04-2010, 08:00 AM
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Default In case you were wondering...

I have no way to verify the story, but it's on the Internet, so it HAS to be true, right?

The origin of checklists: http://www.atchistory.org/History/checklst.htm
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Old 07-20-2022, 05:53 PM
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Default Mechanical Checklist

Id love a mechanical check list (slide or flip the toggle when done) for the before takeoff and before landing checklists. These have worked well as a visual reminder, hard to miss an item, on other airplanes.
Anyone seen one of these that could be used/adapted for an RV8?
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Id love a mechanical check list (slide or flip the toggle when done) for the before takeoff and before landing checklists. These have worked well as a visual reminder, hard to miss an item, on other airplanes.
Anyone seen one of these that could be used/adapted for an RV8?
Most ipad checklist apps will do this.

If your RV-8 is like mine, there are only a few things that if missed will kill you, and I focus on those. Flight controls free and correct, canopy latched. I typically check these three times - before starting, before run-up, and as I take the runway.

I made my switchology "idiot-proof" (all switches up to fly), but I'm a pretty good idiot, so I have taken off with my electric fuel pump off. I regularly forget to turn it off until I'm in cruise, I confess.

I have also tried to take off with my pitot and fuel vent covers on. The noise of them slapping the bottom of the aircraft when I pushed the throttle open told me something was wrong so I was able to abort the takeoff.

My checklist is a simple, A5 double-sided, laminated card, easily accessible, so I have no excuse not to use it.

I find for me the challenge is complacency, but also, when something is different. Flying out of a fly-in, a new airport, busy day, etc. Anything that changes my normal routine can cause a missed item, so I take extra care when things are different.

I may have mentioned this before, but I have a "three strikes" rule - if I make 3 "mistakes" before takeoff I stand down. Just the threat of this increases my concentration - I don't want to sheepishly taxi back to the hangar and not fly, but I've promised myself I will enforce this.
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Old 07-21-2022, 06:01 AM
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I understand/agree about distractions that cause missed checklist items. This is why a glance at a mechanical checklist can confirm everything is completed. I use a DYNON Skyview and don't always use an iPad, so Checklist on iPad doesn't work for me.
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