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Old 09-07-2012, 11:17 AM
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You are correct, those are the A/C controls.
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Old 09-09-2012, 11:54 AM
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Patrick, what is the panel surface finished with? Is that some kind of carbon fiber laminate skin?
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Old 09-10-2012, 08:23 AM
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It is carbon fiber. I'm not sure if it's a veneer or solid (eagerly waiting to find out), but the samples they sent me lead me to believe it's the latter.
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Old 10-11-2012, 05:04 PM
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Thanks for the great folks at Aerotronics, I’d like to present to you my panel for the RV-10.

We’ve been working on this for the past 18 months and I’m really happy with the final results. I got exactly what I wanted with regards to equipment, a professional layout, and the Aerotronics team was able eclipse my expectations with regards to functionality and resiliency. Some of their ideas for the design of the electrical system and integration of the components exceeded what I would have been able to come up with if I had rolled my own panel. So I’m a very happy customer.

The electrical system is dual buss/dual alternator/dual battery. The primary displays are the Garmin G3X with the GPS and XM options. I have a Dynon D6 that is backing it up for a rainy day. The audio panel is a PS Engineering 8000 BT. The GPS is the Garmin GTN-750. The second NAV/COM is a Garmin SL-30. The transponder is a remotely mounted (controlled through the G3X) Garmin GTX23 ES. The autopilot is the Garmin GX Pilot.

The Dynon has a backup battery in it and we went ahead and put a TCW battery on the second DC input of the G3X too. All of the critical pieces of gear are attached to both busses. I’m very happy with it from a resiliency perspective.

At OSH this year, Garmin announced their GDL-88 ADS-B system that can be plugged in to the GTN750. So this panel is pre-wired for the GDL-88 system. The GDL 88 is not available yet, but when it becomes available we’re ready to go by simply plugging it in. This will give me the ability to display TIS traffic / XM weather on the G3X display while simultaneously displaying ADB traffic/weather on the GTN750. The idea is to use both over the short-term and when I’m satisfied with ADS-B coverage, I can get rid of the XM subscription all together.

A few other things about the panel, it’s has a built in CO detector. It also uses an AN-21 annunciator system (that’s what is driving the small annunciator LED’s on top). Also it includes the control head for a 4-Place oxygen system.

Needless to say, I’m really happy with how the entire panel turned out and the functionality/resiliency/modularity that it offers. This wasn’t the easiest process for Aerotronics as I was wanting to do some unique things such as the burl woodgrain, but they worked with me all the way through the process and I think we ended up with a custom panel that we can both be proud of.

Geoff Combs of Aerosport Products also deserves a word of thanks too for providing an attractive panel option for the RV-10.

A higher resolution image can be found here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/kbdc6wbvkb...erry_Panel.jpg

Last edited by Phil : 10-12-2012 at 09:14 PM. Reason: Clarification on AP
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:13 PM
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The autopilot is the Garmin GX Pilot that can be coupled to either the G3X or the GTN750.
Nice panel but I want to make something clear to folks that may be planning a similar setup:

The GX Pilot can only couple to external ARINC sources if both the GPSS and GPSV labels are active and valid. This only happens when on an active approach with vertical guidance so basically it won't follow the GPS flight-plan in this mode.

Otherwise the GX pilot can only use the 750 as a ground track source over a RS232 serial port, it won't follow the GPS flight-plan in this mode.

With all of that said, it does however have the ability to fly ground track and altitude hold so it makes for an effective backup if the day goes South.

The TT GX pilot has some benefits and some disadvantages vs the TT DFII VSGV.

All of this is based on my interpretation of information provided by the people that make the GX pilot. There may be an error in my understanding.
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Old 10-11-2012, 06:25 PM
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Why is that a problem? If you have ALT hold and ground track information, then that is really all you need to fly any non-precision approach. If you have a precision approach, then you have vertical guidance to couple with the ground track.

It'll fly any approach you want to throw at it. If you're enroute, then you just dial your new desired altitude. It's pretty simple to fly.

However the second GPS input is only there as an emergency option. If it's there, then it's worth wiring up and having that option ready to go when you need it.

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Old 10-11-2012, 06:51 PM
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It is not a problem, just different from the way most people used the DF II VSGV on which the GX pilot is based. People need to know the difference when planning so they don't think they are getting something they are not.

People need to know what they are going to be left with if the G3X goes tipup.

With some other EFIS's and the DF II VSGV if the EFIS fails, you flip the "ARINC" source switch and set back and let your 750 do the rest. You still get full GPS steering all the way to the MAP and even to the hold if you go missed.

With the G3X and the GX pilot, you flip the "Track" source switch and twist knobs on the GX pilot to get you established on the final approach course. If you also install an "ARINC" source switch, once the vertical guidance comes in, you can enable EFIS mode on the GX pilot to let your 750 guide the GX pilot down the approach.

If your approach gets downgraded or the approach does not have vertical guidance, you are stuck twisting knobs on the GX pilot to fly the approach because the EFIS mode won't enable.


Now....if your G3X fails, your setup will not fly "any approach you want to throw at it". It will not fly Localizer based approaches and it will not fly GPS based approaches with no vertical guidance which includes if you get downgraded. It will however like you said provide altitude hold/VS mode and fly in track mode so you can use it's knob to steer it around but that is not a true coupled approach.

I agree that having the alternate track source hooked up is a good thing to do and I have the same switch planned for my panel upgrade but this switch is worthless if people don't understand how it works and how to use it in an emergency.

Sorry to hijack your post on your awesome panel. It is a work of art!
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Old 10-11-2012, 07:06 PM
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Okay. Now I understand what you're trying to say.

Yeah, we had that discussion and I was perfectly fine with letting the G3X drive the GX Pilot and relying on the 750 for a Tango-Uniform event. That's a scenario I was perfectly fine with.

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Old 10-11-2012, 08:04 PM
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Phil, will that burl woodgrain end at the panel or will you carry it onto more of the interior? My eyes are already whirling at what will undoubtedly be an awesome installation. Also, show a picture of the backside when you get it; the gang at Aerotronics makes that look almost as good as the front.
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Old 10-11-2012, 08:37 PM
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Will do Patrick. I'm likely going to shoot a video of the crate and all of the work behind it. Is yours powered up yet?

Most of the burl wood will stop at the panel, mainly because it's easy to go overboard with it. I'm kinda designing the interior as I go and am working on keeping everything tastefully balanced.

I thought about continuing it all the way down the center console, but that would just be too much. So I'm going to do something different on the center console.

However, I will likely include accents of the burl wood in various spots of the interior to keep everything together. For example, I will probably put some on the inserts of Geoff's interior panels and/or a kick-plate around the bottom of the doors.
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