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flysrv10 07-31-2021 08:00 AM

RV15-suggestion to Van
 
With the price of paint and paint shop labor sky rocketing, Wouldn't be great if RV15 kit came with pre-finished skins, the same as as https://www.vashonaircraft.com.

It will help speed up completing the aircraft and eliminate finding and scheduling paint shops.

It not as standard kit, pre-finished skins may be provided as an Option.

Thank you Van. When can I order my kit?

abwaldal@gmail.com 07-31-2021 09:00 AM

Ain't happening
 
If I was Vans, the last thing I would do is pre paint parts and try to send them.
I can see all the customers complaining about a buff mark here or scratches there. What a nightmare it would be.
Ain't gonna happen.
Good luck Art

flysrv10 07-31-2021 10:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by abwaldal@gmail.com (Post 1544371)
If I was Vans, the last thing I would do is pre paint parts and try to send them.
I can see all the customers complaining about a buff mark here or scratches there. What a nightmare it would be.
Ain't gonna happen.
Good luck Art

I do see your point as we are buying parts and not a finished plane. So you donít think the plastic protection they already use can keep the pre-finished parts safe? Certainly, you and I will not make the decision. However, there are many finished products shipped safely every day.

rocketman1988 07-31-2021 12:44 PM

LOL
 
Data point:

Every major shipment that I received while building my -10 was damaged during shipping EXCEPT the QB wings and fuse, which was delivered by Partain.

Luckily, most of the damage was to the crates and packaging, with only minor damage to to parts inside.

...and the blue plastic did not prevent those parts from ending up with some scratches...

Ralph Inkster 07-31-2021 12:51 PM

Maybe a suggested experiment. Take 2 pieces of aluminum, shaped similar to what you find with kit parts. Prime & paint to finish gloss quality. Go through the usual build steps of cleko installation (2 or 3 times), maybe run a drill through the holes, dimple as would in the build process. Cleko again, than rivet (try both solid rivets & pulled rivets) your test pieces together & see if the prefinished surface is still in pristine shape. How'd it look?
Now picture how it would look with 18000 or more rivet repetitions.

Vachon may be able to do it in a production line environment (with pulled rivets). Most homebuilders go through a learning/training phase and don't work in pristine shop environments, so the process of painting afterwards covers a multitude of minor blemishes that pre-finished panels would be impossible to hide.

flysrv10 07-31-2021 02:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rocketman1988 (Post 1544424)
Data point:

Every major shipment that I received while building my -10 was damaged during shipping EXCEPT the QB wings and fuse, which was delivered by Partain.

Luckily, most of the damage was to the crates and packaging, with only minor damage to to parts inside.

...and the blue plastic did not prevent those parts from ending up with some scratches...

In contrast, I had zero damage to my parts. Not even a hairline scratch.

rocketman1988 07-31-2021 03:59 PM

So...
 
Taking your data, and my data, the end result is that it will arrive scratched!:D

rcarsey 07-31-2021 04:05 PM

RV-15X
 
Ahh.. one more addition I thought of..

An airplane that the builder/owner can go back and forth between nosewheel to tailwheel. Never have to worry about resale value, can switch if tailwheel insurance rates get jacked up too high or if your mission changes.. and deciding whether they want a tri or tailwheel version up front is negated.

See https://youtu.be/Eb7XvAUJahM?t=283 for a review of the NXCub which has this feature.

BillL 08-01-2021 06:52 AM

Easy Ingress/Egress
 
I need an airplane that is easy for my wife to get in/out of. She can not fly in my RV7 for this reason. Just a practical thing, otherwise a road coach RV is in our future.

Snowflake 08-01-2021 09:00 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rcarsey (Post 1544457)
An airplane that the builder/owner can go back and forth between nosewheel to tailwheel. Never have to worry about resale value, can switch if tailwheel insurance rates get jacked up too high or if your mission changes.. and deciding whether they want a tri or tailwheel version up front is negated.

Make it an option perhaps, but don't make it the default. The extra weight for gear attach hard points that you'll only use half of comes straight off your useful load.


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