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Fenderbean

Fenderbean

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So the fuselage kit comes with the grove brakes at no cost change but when you select the beringer option it jumps the price the “full” cost of their kit.
Why do they not subtract the grove cost an add the difference vs charging the full cost of beringer on top?
 
The RV10, Beringer option is $42,100 and with Grove its $36,900
Fuse kit price is $36,900 If you buy the grove option and then buy the beringer sep you get two set of brakes for the same price which leads u to think its they are not reducing the cost of the grove
 
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Fenderbean said:
The RV10, Beringer option is $42,100 and with Grove its $36,900
Fuse kit price is $36,900 If you buy the grove option and then buy the beringer sep you get two set of brakes for the same price which leads u to think its they are not reducing the cost of the grove
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Ohhh, I see what you're saying. No, you either get Grove brakes for $36,900 OR Beringer brakes w/parking brake for $42,100. You don't get both brakes if you opt for the Beringer brakes.
 
bertschb said:
Ohhh, I see what you're saying. No, you either get Grove brakes for $36,900 OR Beringer brakes w/parking brake for $42,100. You don't get both brakes if you opt for the Beringer brakes.
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You might be missing my point, so why would you order the Beringer from Vans when you can buy them from another site for the same price and then sell your Grove to make make that difference back.... Seems like Vans should subtract the cost of the Grove breaks from the kit cost and then you pay the difference vs essentially paying for both and only getting one. What am I missing?
 
Fenderbean said:
...why would you order the Beringer from Vans when you can buy them from another site for the same price and then sell your Grove to make make that difference back....what am I missing?
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Maybe I'm missing something :-)

I guess you could buy the base fuselage kit with Grove brakes for $36,900 then sell the Grove brakes for let's say $3,900 (just to keep the math simple) and you'd be in for $33,000. If you then buy the RV-10 Beringer brake package from Aircraft Specialty Flightlines for their asking price of $9,595, your total cost would be $42,595 which is slightly more than the $42,100 that Vans charges. But again, you have to find a buyer for the Grove brakes.
 
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bertschb said:
Well, that price includes all the brake lines as well as the parking brake setup.
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Mine came with parking brake, anti-lock and all the supplies to build the lines. I even added extra brake line and parts like "olives", just in case. Yes, it took a little effort to make the lines. I didn't install the anti-lock and glad I didn't. No issues with overly sensitive brakes. I also have one piece lines from the parking brake down to the caliper. An advantage with making your own. Considering the thousands I saved, it was worth the time. Sorry, not trying to be a turd. Seems like someone is making money

Anyone want to buy a Beringer anti-lock valve? How about $1000? 😁
 
bertschb said:
Maybe I'm missing something :-)

I guess you could buy the base fuselage kit with Grove brakes for $36,900 then sell the Grove brakes for let's say $3,900 (just to keep the math simple) and you'd be in for $33,000. If you then buy the RV-10 Beringer brake package from Aircraft Specialty Flightlines for their asking price of $9,595, your total cost would be $42,595 which is slightly more than the $42,100 that Vans charges. But again, you have to find a buyer for the Grove brakes.
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AirC spruce has the beringer set for a few dollars cheaper than Vans. I would be fine making my own brake lines because the line cost is substantial if you buy them. Spruce Beringer RV 10 kit is $5146 plus tax so the cost is close which is why for them to not split the difference it seems like they are stiffing you if you get the Beringer with the kit.
 
dmattmul said:
So you can’t lock up your brakes when applying full pressure ?
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Not yet. I've stepped pretty hard, but haven't applied what I consider full pressure like a automobile. I don't have any sense they would lock up.

I also haven't used the Parking Brake. Maybe if I park at the pumps, but I prefer chocks. I probably could have left it out.
 
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The Beringer versus Grove cost discussion is a bit more complicated and in depth than is shown in this thread.

The Aircraft Spruce kits mentioned above do not include master cylinders/hardware or a PB and or anti skid valve. The 4 master cylinders alone are around $1700.

The kits with PB valves that are purchased through VANS/ASF include several hundred dollars of additional components such as the PB Cable, Bowden Clamps, B Nuts, and machined CNC brackets to hold the PB cables.

Kits from ASF/Vans include all prefabricated brake lines and fittings.

Kits from ASF/Vans also have a new upgraded integrated axle nut/extension.

Kits from ASF that include a PB valve, now also include an upgraded CNC braket with integrated microswitch for a "PB SET" indication on your EFIS


As Beringer's largest aftermarket wheel/brake distributor for RV specific components, ASF currently offers the Sensair TPMS system at no charge (a $750) value with the purchase of any complete Beringer system.

In short, the Vans complete Beringer system upgrade provides a good value for builders that are looking for a Beriger system with their initial kit order.

For builders that are currently "Free Agents" who have either deleted all brake systems or are looking to upgrade their stock brake system to the Beringer system, please reach out to us. We are happy to discuss the options available.

For builders that are wanting to install a Control approach rudder pedal system, or are wanting to include an ALIR anti skid valve with their setup, please reach out to us as there are some differences required from a brake line standpoint from the setup that Vans currently offers.

Hope this helps and Happy Building.
Steve
 
Thanks Steve, that explains it and clears it up thanks. The Vans website could use a bit more information in places.
 
wirejock said:
Not yet. I've stepped pretty hard, but haven't applied what I consider full pressure like a automobile. I don't have any sense they would lock up.

I also haven't used the Parking Brake. Maybe if I park at the pumps, but I prefer chocks. I probably could have left it out.
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My last 2 Beringer installations it was very possible to lock up the brakes. I started with them fairly soft and applied full braking pressure. If they did not lock up turned the pressure up half a turn. Kept doing this until the brakes would lock and then backed off a half turn. Now I know the exact pressure to use and never lock up. Probably not needed but nice to know max pressure without locking them up.

Parking brake is a convenience and nice to have on windy days before chocks can be set.
 
dmattmul said:
My last 2 Beringer installations it was very possible to lock up the brakes. I started with them fairly soft and applied full braking pressure. If they did not lock up turned the pressure up half a turn. Kept doing this until the brakes would lock and then backed off a half turn. Now I know the exact pressure to use and never lock up. Probably not needed but nice to know max pressure without locking them up.

Parking brake is a convenience and nice to have on windy days before chocks can be set.
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I have no doubt they can be locked up. I'm not willing to try. Especially since I have no valve.
 
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