Well, after much cussing and manipulation, I got both pans in-place, drilled, and removed. The problem I had gettIng them installed turned out to be the notches in the forward edge that are there to clear the front seat support brackets. My notches were too smalland were binding on the supports which kept the pan from seating. Once I figured that out and filed the notches out a little, the pans went in relatively easy. To remove them, I used a 1/8ish diameter metal rod with a 90 deg bend (actually a tent stake that just happened to be on my bench) that I used to hook the rear corners of the pans and just worked the rear edge up until the rear edge of the pan was over the rear spar strap which then allowed me to pull the pan up and out.