Not to get off topic, but what's with Van's rivet length callouts anyhow??? I get the rivet, read the comment in the manual that says "The rivet callouts are correct", and then measure it and it's clearly not even close. I understand his argument about not wanting to put a rivet that's too long for fear of clenching it over, but most of the time it's only, like, 1/64" too long.