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Mods to FwF Kit - IO-360 A1B6 200 Hp

Noah

Noah

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Vans will be raising prices next week, so I figured I might order the FWF kit for my RV-7A with IO-360A1B6 200 hp engine & CS prop. The current FWF kit costs $4870.

From what I have read in earlier threads, mix and match is the way to buy the FWF kit. I am considering the following mods to the standard FWF kit (see follow-on post for standard kit contents):

1. Delete the wiring harness, since I'm going IFR. As I understand it, the wiring harness is only good for the standard Vans VFR wiring scheme. List Price: $350

2. Delete the alternator, my engine already has a DOFF-10300J 15V 60A alternator, might need to rebuild it. List price $375

3. Delete the PROP GOV MT P-860-4, as I picked up a PCU 5000X from the recent group buy. List price: $1100

4. Delete OIL COOLER II, as my engine already has a Stewart Warner oil cooler (not sure how many rows, how many do I need for this engine?) List price $185

Some earlier threads have said that Vans doesn't take the list price of these items ($2,010) off the total kit price, but some fraction thereof. Can anybody who KNOWS how this works fill me in? (No guesses please :p)

I have read that the Vans Heat selector valve (VENT TG-10) is aluminum, and that an aftermarket stainless version is available. The argument goes that the aluminum version could be quickly breached in an engine fire, defeating the purpose of a high temp capable firewall. Can anybody comment on this or provide the name of the aftermarket supplier with the stainless version?

What about Lord mounts vs. what Vans supplies? Should this be another change to consider? Or does Vans supply true Lord mounts?

What other changes have you made or should I consider?

Thanks to all for your input.
 
FWF Kit Contents: IO360A1B6

1.00 FF-7/7A IO-360 200 CS FIREWALL FORWARD KIT
1.00 CT BLK THROTTLE 50.5 RV-7(IO-360)
1.00 CT RED VMIXTURE 50.5 7A(IO-360)
1.00 FAB-HORIZ INDUCTION-1 IO-360 180/200 HP
1.00 IO-360 THROTTLE/MIX CABLE ATTACH KIT FWD
1.00 PLASTIC TIE WRAP 5.5" NYLON TIE 70-0108
1.00 VA-136 FUEL LINE IO-360 23"
1.00 VA-138 FUEL SUPPLY HOSE 14.0
1.00 PROP GOV MT P-860-4 (I)O-320/360 LYCOMING
1.00 AT0-028X3/16X6 FOR F.WALL KIT
1.00 AT6-058X5/16X15 7/8 ALUM TUBE C-610
2.00 SS304-26GAX1/2X9 SCAT CLAMP !!SHARP!!
1.00 FF 3/4 FIREWALL PLUG SS FIREWALL PLUG
1.00 ES PC680 INSTALL KIT BATTERY MOUNT 7/9
1.00 EA LV-1 HEAT SHIELD EXHAUST HEAT SHIELD
2.00 CT A-740 BLACK PUSH PULL CABLE BLACK
1.00 DUCT CBT-5/8 COOLING BLAST TUBE
1.00 EA CV HOSE 9816 BREATHER HOSE 4 CYL
1.00 EA DYNA BOLT BOLT SET 4 CYL DYNAFL
4.00 EA DYNA VI-STD VIB.ISO.ALL EXCEPT-10
1.00 EA EXHCO 7/7A IO-360 7/7A CROSSOVER 200HP
1.00 EA OIL COOLER II O-320/360 OIL COOLER
1.00 ES 24021 STARTER SOLENOID 2OUT
1.00 ES 24115 MASTER RELAY
1.00 ES ALTERNATOR DELUXE 60A KIT W/OV PROTECT
1.00 ES WH 6/7/9 KIT 6/7/9 WIRING HARNESS
1.00 FF-705 BREATHER TUBE
1.00 FF-709 OIL COOLER DOUBLER
1.00 IE VMP INSTALL KIT FITTINGS/HOSES
1.00 PT-035X1/4X12 FUEL OVERFLOW TUBE
1.00 VA-102 FUEL PRES. HOSE 15.5
1.00 VA-168 SENDER MOUNT
1.00 VA-133 OIL PRESS. HOSE 27.25
1.00 VA-134 OIL COOLER HOSE 19.0
1.00 VA-135 OIL COOLER HOSE 16.5
1.00 VENT DL-03 2" ALUM FLANGE
1.00 VENT SCAT 2X6' SCAT TUBE X 6 FT
1.00 VENT TG-10 CABIN HEAT SELECTOR
1.00 AS3-063X1 1/2X4 6A--8/8A (INCHES)
1.00 AT0-035X3/8X24 SOFT ALUM TUBE
0.50 F AE102-11 FIRESLEEVE $/FT
0.25 EA HOSE H177 IO SNIFFLE HOSE $/FT
1.00 BAG 626-1 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360
1.00 BAG 627-1 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360
1.00 BAG 628 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360
1.00 BAG 629 FF MISC. HDWRE IO-360
1.00 BAG 958 AN426AD3-4 RIVETS
1.00 BAG 991 AN426AD3-3.5
1.00 BAG 1934 AN426AD3-5
1.00 BAG 1935 AN426AD3-6
1.00 BAG 1978 AN470AD4-5
1.00 BAG 1979 AN470AD4-4
1.00 AS3-063X1X12 ALUM STRIP
1.00 CT BEARING HWR, PROP BOLT, NUT, WASHERS
1.00 CT BEARING MW-3M THROTTLE ATTACH ASSEM
1.00 DOC FWF COMPLETE TEXT/DWGS
1.00 VA-183-PC MT GOV CABLE BRACKET
1.00 BAF-8-IO360 COWL BAF 7/8 200HP
1.00 CT BLUE VPROP 48 7(ALL)/9(ALL)
 
mods to fwf kit

I deleted the motor mounts and ordered Lord motor mounts from Aircraft Spruce. I got a stainless heat selector value from Averys. I also deleted all the hoses - va135, va136, va138, va102, va133, va134, va 135 and ordered hoses from Specialy Hose Aerospace.

good luck
 
Tom, what makes the Lord mounts better than what Vans sells? Good to know that Avery makes the stainless heat selector, thanks. Why did you buy the hoses separately?
 
mods to fwf kit

Noah, several RV builders that I know have switched to Lord mounts and reported less vibrations. I got hoses seperately because I wanted better hoses than what Van's supplies. I have a list of what I ordered in my invoice file if you want it.
 
Stainless steel heater boxes

I just wanted to put in a plug for one of the advertisers here EPM-AV. I recently discovered that in Canada you need a SS heater box - Alum is not allowed. We bought 4 from these guys and they are well made and nice to deal with too.
 
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