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Old 01-05-2020, 07:10 PM
lam0082 lam0082 is offline
 
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Hello new friends.

I am about to complete my private pilot certificate. I?m also about to graduate veterinary school and am heavily considering taking a job around 600 miles from home. They want me to work part of the week, and I?m considering going back home and working/being with family the remainder of the week. I wouldn?t do this every week, just kind of depends on the weather.

Because of this, I?m heavily considering buying a plane. My mission would be 600 mile cross countries by myself. Want something quick, fuel efficient, and a good plane for IFR conditions (plan to get instrument certificate soon after private). Right now considering 6, 7, or 9?s. Prefer the side by side seating, prefer a tricycle gear but I?m willing to get tail wheel endorsement for the right situation.
So my main question, how difficult would it be to overhaul the panel on some of these older rv-6?s or cheaper built rv-9?s? Adding auto-pilot? I?m pretty handy for the most part, decent on electronics, but I?m pretty good at problem solving and finding a way to get something done.

Any input on any of this is greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
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Old 01-05-2020, 07:18 PM
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Congrats. You asked for advice so..

Finish ppl, get a solid used rv that is well built, fly and enjoy it often and take your time on upgrades and ifr and do it right, while you build lots of hours and hone your skills and learn the plane. Enjoy
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Old 01-06-2020, 12:42 PM
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Congrats on graduating from veterinary school!!

If you're generally handy and decent with electronics, I don't think the panel/autopilot upgrade process will give you any major difficulties. I'm neither handy nor decent with electronics (not even close), so I've sought out professional help when needed, but have still managed a few smaller projects myself. SteinAir videos have been crucial!!

Not the question you asked, but: 600 miles is a long way, and the instrument rating and new avionics will only solve so many problems. What two locations will you be flying between? Weather and terrain (related of course) will make a big difference in how often you can reliably travel 600 miles by RV.

I think most new pilots, with the help of aircraft manufacturers, an enthusiastic AOPA, etc., overestimate the real-world traveling abilitites of small piston-engined aircraft. I know I did.

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Hello new friends.

I am about to complete my private pilot certificate. I?m also about to graduate veterinary school and am heavily considering taking a job around 600 miles from home. They want me to work part of the week, and I?m considering going back home and working/being with family the remainder of the week. I wouldn?t do this every week, just kind of depends on the weather.

Because of this, I?m heavily considering buying a plane. My mission would be 600 mile cross countries by myself. Want something quick, fuel efficient, and a good plane for IFR conditions (plan to get instrument certificate soon after private). Right now considering 6, 7, or 9?s. Prefer the side by side seating, prefer a tricycle gear but I?m willing to get tail wheel endorsement for the right situation.
So my main question, how difficult would it be to overhaul the panel on some of these older rv-6?s or cheaper built rv-9?s? Adding auto-pilot? I?m pretty handy for the most part, decent on electronics, but I?m pretty good at problem solving and finding a way to get something done.

Any input on any of this is greatly appreciated.
Thank you.
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Old 01-06-2020, 12:47 PM
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Old 01-06-2020, 04:56 PM
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Dugaru,

Mainly traveling in SE United States out of Florida up the coast or slightly inland. Not too bad of airspace outside of getting around Atlanta.
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Old 01-06-2020, 08:16 PM
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Commitment, Work, Time, Kids, Wife, Distance, Frequency, Weather, Desire.

Out West...maybe.
Kentucky? Florida? Kentucky....
I don?t see this idea turning out well.

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Old 01-06-2020, 10:00 PM
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Discus,

Yes sometimes it seems kind of an excessive thought. Not married at the moment, at most this would be a 1-1.5 year engagement. The realistic thought is refreshing though, thank you for the input.
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Old 01-06-2020, 10:02 PM
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My 2 cents. Use the RV for fun. Build hours. Then decide if commuting is a good idea. You will probably realize that it?s not.
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Old 01-06-2020, 11:39 PM
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Certain panel upgrade for IFR are necessary. Glass EFIS is nice and compact but not necessarily easier. I got my IFR with a six pack in an Arrow. In my opinion the gauges are easier and quicker to read. I did upgrade my 6A with an EFIS early on, which also incorporates the engine monitor, and having hand flown in simulated and IMC and gauges are easier. When I got my plane it didn't have a VOR nor engine monitor. A friend bought a really nice 6 with gauges with an Aera map. The only thing he needs is an AP, WAAS GPS, and engine monitor like a D120. Although I have my 10" EFIS on split display I still use my iPad as my main map. Both my EFIS and iPad display traffic and weather. Here are the items you would want assuming you have a CDI/HSI:

- Obviously need a WAAS GPS
- If the plane doesn't have ADS-B out already the most cost effective is the Echo-UAT because that provides you both In and Out. If you already have Out then a Stratux (not Stratus) for less than $200 already assembled will provide you with ADS-B In and will WiFi to your iPad. I have this in my plane and works great after 2 years.
- iPad with Foreflt or one of the many other nav aids out there. You can plan and lookup weather at home. I have my iPad mounted with a removable mount to the panel and use it to display my approach plates
- Auto Pilot with altitude coupled to your CDI/HSI. I feel this is a must have. It's so easy to have a bad day and get disoriented
- Backup system like a G5 or similar
- Engine monitor like a D120. EGT/CHT. The unit will warn you audibly of other parameters out of range like voltage, oil pressure, amps, etc. An amp warning will immediately let you know you lost you alternator and gives you time to shed electrical and land. You don't want to look down seeing a parameter out of range and wonder how long it's been like that. Most important is the fuel flow. You never have to estimate how much fuel you have. I top off at 38 gal. My fuel computer is set to give me 36 gal at top off, my personal preference. I rather think if have less than think I have more. Also allows for some error. I start with my left tank and burn down to 30gal, switch to rt tank and burn down to 20 gal and switch to left and burn down to 10 gal (switching tanks every 5 gal is unnecessary). When I get down to 10 gal I know I have at least 2 gal in the left and and at least 8 gal in the rt tank. If I happen to forget to switch tanks and for example switch at 29 gal then I'll burn down to 19 gal before switching to the left tank and I'm back on track. This works well if you have a two or more people flying the plane. If everyone does the same fuel management than everyone know how much fuel is in each tank and when to switch tanks

I may have missed something but my main purpose in posting this is you can have a really good panel without it being glass.

However there will be times when you won't be able to fly to work nor fly from work back home due to weather. This forum has a wealth of info from very knowledgeable people. I wish you the best
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Old 01-07-2020, 01:41 AM
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Congrats. You asked for advice so..

Finish ppl, get a solid used rv that is well built, fly and enjoy it often and take your time on upgrades and ifr and do it right, while you build lots of hours and hone your skills and learn the plane. Enjoy
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It?s really best to have some ifr experience before deciding on ifr upgrades; but you need some equipment to get that experience. Sort of a catch 22. Take your time. As to your proposed 600 nm x/c: Just realize that there will be times when you shouldn?t leave the ground, ifr rated or not. Have alternate plans available, even driving if that works. BTW, look up the part 91 ifr rules for gas: fly to destination, fly to alternate, fly another 45 minutes. What?s the history of wx at your destinations? How far will you have to go to find an airport that?s forecast for a ceiling of 800? or better, when your destination wx is less than a 2000? ceiling? If you fly at 75% cruise power you may find that an intermediate fuel stop is needed. That?s not necessarily a bad thing, just that it may take more time than you think.
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