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Old 07-08-2014, 05:17 PM
RA9A RA9A is offline
 
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Default Is a POH required?

At the airport today the question came up do experimental aircraft need a POH
No one seamed to agree, what is the correct answer on this?
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Old 07-08-2014, 06:59 PM
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Default POH

Not required. Any combination of placards, instrument makings, etc will suffice.
The NTSB of course would like to make POH mandatory for EAB.
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Old 07-08-2014, 07:27 PM
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Default AROW ??

I think the correct answer is that the only required documents are Airworthiness, Registration, Operating Limits, and Weight and Balance. AROW.

I would think that you could Operating Limits and W&B in one document which might be a specific POH for the airplane.

Maybe that's on certified but it's good to have anyway.
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Old 07-08-2014, 07:51 PM
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I've heard recently from an experienced DAR friend in Tennessee that the Feds are emphasizing the importance of having a POH for E-AB's for the airworthiness inspection. It might be worth a call to your FSDO if you're preparing for inspection. I don't know where it's written that you need one, but it would be smart anyway, even if some of the data is just Van's published performance numbers.
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Old 07-08-2014, 08:15 PM
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O is Owner's Manual, not Operating Limitations. Operating Limitations is really a part of the Airworthiness Certificate.
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Old 07-08-2014, 08:30 PM
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Jesse, as stated the O is for operating limitations. For an older CAR 3 certified aircraft the operating limitations usually resided in the "owners manual" and on some other aircraft such as the Pipers it obviously could also be found in the Aircraft Flight Manual. Part 23 certified airplanes no longer come with "owners manuals" instead they have a Pilot's Operating Handbook as well as a AFM.

The two EAB aircraft I have owned did not have a POH produced by the original builder, instead the operating limitations were listed from data taken during phase 1 testing and the form was signed by a FSDO inspector.
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Old 07-09-2014, 06:45 AM
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Relevant FARs

§91.9 Civil aircraft flight manual, marking, and placard requirements.
(a) Except as provided in paragraph (d) of this section, no person may operate a civil aircraft without complying with the operating limitations specified in the approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual, markings, and placards, or as otherwise prescribed by the certificating authority of the country of registry.

(b) No person may operate a U.S.-registered civil aircraft—

(1) For which an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual is required by §21.5 of this chapter unless there is available in the aircraft a current, approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual or the manual provided for in §121.141(b); and

(2) For which an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual is not required by §21.5 of this chapter, unless there is available in the aircraft a current approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual, approved manual material, markings, and placards, or any combination thereof.

(c) No person may operate a U.S.-registered civil aircraft unless that aircraft is identified in accordance with part 45 of this chapter.

(d) Any person taking off or landing a helicopter certificated under part 29 of this chapter at a heliport constructed over water may make such momentary flight as is necessary for takeoff or landing through the prohibited range of the limiting height-speed envelope established for the helicopter if that flight through the prohibited range takes place over water on which a safe ditching can be accomplished and if the helicopter is amphibious or is equipped with floats or other emergency flotation gear adequate to accomplish a safe emergency ditching on open water.

§21.5 Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.
(a) With each airplane or rotorcraft not type certificated with an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual and having no flight time before March 1, 1979, the holder of a type certificate (including amended or supplemental type certificates) or the licensee of a type certificate must make available to the owner at the time of delivery of the aircraft a current approved Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual.

(b) The Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual required by paragraph (a) of this section must contain the following information:

(1) The operating limitations and information required to be furnished in an Airplane or Rotorcraft Flight Manual or in manual material, markings, and placards, by the applicable regulations under which the airplane or rotorcraft was type certificated.

(2) The maximum ambient atmospheric temperature for which engine cooling was demonstrated must be stated in the performance information section of the Flight Manual, if the applicable regulations under which the aircraft was type certificated do not require ambient temperature on engine cooling operating limitations in the Flight Manual.
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Old 07-09-2014, 06:51 AM
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POH is highly recommended but not required. The Operating Limitations issued by the inspector complies with the POH requirements.
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Old 07-09-2014, 09:23 AM
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Quote:
Originally Posted by Mel View Post
POH is highly recommended but not required. The Operating Limitations issued by the inspector complies with the POH requirements.
The quote from AC 90-89A -

d. Flight Manual: It is imperative a flight
manual describing the anticipated performance of the
aircraft be written by the aircraft builder/kit manufacturer.
The manual will be revised several times during
the flight test phase until it accurately reports
the aircraft?s performance.


http://www.faa.gov/documentLibrary/m...C%2090-89A.pdf
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Old 07-09-2014, 11:17 AM
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I had an FAA FSDO inspector for my aircraft certification / inspection. As part of the package of documentation he wanted prior to looking at my aircraft, a POH was required. This was about 5 years ago.
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