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Old 03-28-2021, 09:36 PM
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I really hate to be a nag, but the proper name for a blind anchor nut is a "plate nut". They are nuts. They happen to be formed so that they can be riveted onto a plate. The "official" GSA directory refers to them as "nut, plate".

So many people incorrectly call them nutplates that that is now considered an alternate name. So, if enough people start calling a fire hydrant a hydrant fire, will that become an accepted name too?
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Old 03-28-2021, 09:43 PM
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I really hate to be a nag, but the proper name for a blind anchor nut is a "plate nut". They are nuts. They happen to be formed so that they can be riveted onto a plate. The "official" GSA directory refers to them as "nut, plate".

So many people incorrectly call them nutplates that that is now considered an alternate name. So, if enough people start calling a fire hydrant a hydrant fire, will that become an accepted name too?
Depends if I am speaking to my dog or my mom.
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Old 03-28-2021, 09:44 PM
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I really hate to be a nag, but the proper name for a blind anchor nut is a "plate nut". They are nuts. They happen to be formed so that they can be riveted onto a plate. The "official" GSA directory refers to them as "nut, plate".

So many people incorrectly call them nutplates that that is now considered an alternate name. So, if enough people start calling a fire hydrant a hydrant fire, will that become an accepted name too?
Hahaha, wow, yep

I've called them nut plates all my adult life and then read in section 5 about plate nuts.... then I got confused on what I originally called them and my log has them as both

So Plate nuts it shall be...
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Old 03-28-2021, 10:08 PM
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It should be correct, then, to use the term:

hydrant, fire

like it is correct to use:

nut, plate

but not:

hydrant fires

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Old 03-28-2021, 11:23 PM
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I attach a bolt with a nut, so the thing I insert a bolt into is a plate nut.
But, the thing I rivet onto structure is a plate, so nut plate.
Is this like damper vs dampener?
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Old 03-28-2021, 11:28 PM
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Lock Nut or Nut Lock?

Might be an old habit to say nut plate... but so wrong
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Old 03-28-2021, 11:55 PM
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If you must. But {what-it-does}-{what-it-is} is a common enough language construct. I think it depends what direction you're coming from: a nut plate is one kind of plate (dinner plate, home plate); a plate nut is one kind of nut (lock nut, pea nut). I don't expect to go unmolested if I ponder whether to drink from a faucet water or a bottle water.
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Old 03-29-2021, 03:48 AM
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Default Grammar on VAF? Thatís a first for me :)

I suppose if we all know what we are talking about itís not too much of a bother, so do what works for ya. It is common though for technical documents to order words backwards from what is considered ícorrectí in conversational situations. For instance, we would say ďhex nutĒ (modifier, generic noun) when talking to our buddies, but on a drawing itís always written ďnut, hexĒ (generic noun, modifier). The reversal makes it easy to find all of a type of thing (like all the nuts) on a bill of materials by just scanning down the list. Because of that custom, some folks will use the Ďgeneric, modifierí ordering in their writing too, but itís not necessarily proper. Like I said, do what works for you... but donít take it too seriously. Trying to contain and force the living and breathing thing that is the English language only ends in frustration.


On a side note, what was funny to me was the first time I read the OP I flipped the two words and read nut plate. I couldnít understand what everyone was talking about until I reread the OP. I guess itís so engrained in my brain to flip the words, I donít even realize Iím doing it.
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Old 03-29-2021, 04:35 AM
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I donít call them whatever, pointless as they donít bulge anyway. I just screw em, in or out with either screws or bolts.
Couple of em thingy as spares hanging on a hanger in the hangar

Popcorn 🍿 anybody?
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Old 03-29-2021, 04:58 AM
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I've called these things nut plates my entire life. Therefore I will defend this position to my dying breath and everyone else is wrong. There is no middle ground here.

Also, on the engineering drawings for the Citations, the vertical racks in the galley that are for soft drink storage are called "Pop Can Racks" So there is your definitive engineering coverage that everybody who says "soda" is wrong. And the people who call everything a Coke? We won't even talk about them.

p.s. I've lost all respect for Aircraft Spruce, who took the coward's way out of this debate and started calling them "anchor nuts"
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