What Can I Do?

[OKAV8r]

Originally Posted by fl-mike

Perhaps splitting hairs, but I think the A&P (or AI) needs to make/sign the logbook entry. (for the annual condition inspection)

I've been doing the heavy lifting on all my condition inspections, with an A&P supervising. i.e. open all the panels, lube, change the oil, open the filter, etc. I use a comprehensive checklist. He is also my tech advisor, and has signed a recommendation letter towards my A&P, so he is very comfortable with my work.

If I may, let me add some conditioner to your split hairs. An owner may assist me by opening the airplane up, and doing Part 43 app A preventive maintenance, by if they want me to sign off an inspection, then I am the one doing the inspecting. Supervised maintenance functions are allowed, supervised inspections are not, at least as I am concerned.
Thanks

[fl-mike]

Originally Posted by OKAV8r

If I may, let me add some conditioner to your split hairs. An owner may assist me by opening the airplane up, and doing Part 43 app A preventive maintenance, by if they want me to sign off an inspection, then I am the one doing the inspecting. Supervised maintenance functions are allowed, supervised inspections are not, at least as I am concerned.
Thanks

I think we are saying the same thing. A&P does the inspection.

To the OP question, yes, he can install his oil shutter.

[jrtens]

Originally Posted by BobTurner

Although it is a very good idea to do do, no logbook or records are required to be kept at all for EAB, except for the annual condition inspection. So if you do keep records, anyone (or no one) may sign them.

I do not see an exclusion for experimental aircraft for FAR 91.417?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.417

[RV8iator]

This is netter than the primer wars, and even more!

[rvbuilder2002]

Originally Posted by jrtens

I do not see an exclusion for experimental aircraft for FAR 91.147?

https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/14/91.417

The relevant CFAR is 43.1
https://www.ecfr.gov/current/title-1...pter-C/part-43

In particular 43.1(B)

For clarity purposes.... One of the purposes of FAR 43 is to regulate what level of certification is required for a person to do what types of Maint. and Inspection work on Type Certificated aircraft.

43.1)B) states that the entire Part (43) does not apply to an aircraft with an experimental airworthiness certificate.

This is why the operating limitations that are issued to an Experimental Amateur Built aircraft have line items stating what inspection has to be done, and when; and who can do that inspection. Because all of rules in FAR 43 that would have applied regarding these requirements, don't, because of 43.1(B).

[Pdp7427]

EAA Sport Aviation Magazine, September 2021. Page 30.

There is a table that breaks out who can do what according to what type of plane.

If you have digital access to their archive that’s the easiest way to find it.

Patrick

[jrtens]

Originally Posted by rvbuilder2002

The relevant CFAR is 43.1

Yep - got that - see post #6

Not talking about who can do the maintenance anymore - talking about the requirement for maintenance records.

A statement was made that "no logbook or records are required to be kept at all for EAB except for the annual condition

inspection." My question was where does it say that FAR 91.417 doesn't apply to experimental aircraft?

Inquiring minds want to know.

[gfb]

So here’s the thing. We all believe we are super mechanics and can do anything, yet we don’t make our living working on and inspecting aircraft. There is something to be said for experience being important when it comes to certain things. I urge all of us to have an A&P do our condition inspections every so often. Having a fresh, experienced set of eyes looking things over can be… eye opening.

[Mel]

Originally Posted by gfb

So here’s the thing. We all believe we are super mechanics and can do anything, yet we don’t make our living working on and inspecting aircraft. There is something to be said for experience being important when it comes to certain things. I urge all of us to have an A&P do our condition inspections every so often. Having a fresh, experienced set of eyes looking things over can be… eye opening.

Even though I am an A&P, and have been for almost 50 years, I still have a different mechanic do my inspection every few years. Different eyes see different things.

I've been proposing to the FAA for several years that a "Repairman" for an amateur-built aircraft should be required to have an experienced mechanic walk him through his first Condition Inspection. Knowing how to build an airplane does not mean that you know how to inspect one.

Just my opinion! Obviously not a real popular one.

[Kyle Boatright]

Originally Posted by Mel

Even though I am an A&P, and have been for almost 50 years, I still have a different mechanic do my inspection every few years. Different eyes see different things.

I've been proposing to the FAA for several years that a "Repairman" for an amateur-built aircraft should be required to have an experienced mechanic walk him through his first Condition Inspection. Knowing how to build an airplane does not mean that you know how to inspect one.

Just my opinion! Obviously not a real popular one.

It is a great idea. For the first several years (and occasionally since then), I had one of the local IA's give the FWF on my airplane the once-over after I finished the inspection. Nothing out of sorts has turned up yet, but I consider it good insurance.

I don't worry as much about missing something on the airfame portion. Its fairly simple with a couple of dozen important points to examine - largely attachment points and control systems.