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Old 01-18-2022, 04:30 AM
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Default My RV-4 is a "glider'

The FAA shows my RV-4 as a glider with a 4 cyl engine..and my application was filled out correctly(not a glider). I never bothered changing it, and I love flying a fast glider that needs no tow plane. The local FSDO did my inspection/registration. My county tax form lists it as a glider too, so I'm hoping this keeps the revenue man away. Insurance company cant be fooled though!
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Old 01-18-2022, 08:07 AM
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The FAA shows my RV-4 as a glider with a 4 cyl engine..and my application was filled out correctly(not a glider). I never bothered changing it, and I love flying a fast glider that needs no tow plane. The local FSDO did my inspection/registration. My county tax form lists it as a glider too, so I'm hoping this keeps the revenue man away. Insurance company cant be fooled though!
That's great!

Here in Indiana, I spoke with the very nice lady that does the registrations. We were having a nice conversation and she was telling me about how they check the hangar rosters at the airports to find unregistered aircraft and how she checks into them. You know, who is the owner, aircraft type, home base, etc.

We then talked about what happens when she finds one. She said that she likes to give the owner plenty of notice and time to rectify the issue...before the penalties start...and those penalties can add up in a very short order!

Luckily, the state fees in Indiana are fairly reasonable. I plan on staying in good graces with the nice lady...
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Old 01-18-2022, 08:20 AM
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There are a lot of errors in the registration database.
There is about 20 different RV's certificated as E-AB aircraft, that have Van's Aircraft Inc. listed as the manufacturer. I don't know how many of them are the result of incorrect paper work being submitted vs errors made by the FAA, but my guess is that it is the former and they just slipped through with possibly someone of little experience not kicking it back when it should have been.
One of our aircraft that had been properly registered for 15+ years had the registered owner change from Van's Aircraft to some private party person (the registration office was quick in correcting it once the error was pointed out).

As already mentioned, if you find an error, get in touch with the registration office and they will work to correct it.
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Old 01-22-2022, 01:40 PM
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UPDATE: Contacted the FAA’s registration branch over the phone and the corrected info appeared online in two days. Amazing level of service from our government friends!
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Old 04-19-2022, 08:02 PM
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You definitely want to have a proper registration if you ever want to resell it. I was going to buy a RV-6A, but insurance wouldn't cover me on it. When I asked why and they said the builder decided to get cute and used his name with some model number on it for the type. So from their perspective, this wasn't an RV-6A but really some unknown experimental aircraft.

Seller insists it's a -6A and has insurance. I find out I'd have to get a DAR to redo the airworthiness cert .... and I basically said this is not the plane for me. Too many hoops because of a bad early decision on paperwork.
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Old 04-21-2022, 02:19 PM
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So if I build a velocity and register it as model RV-9A, I can get a lower rate? Sounds line the insurance companies are pretty ignorant of what the model number on an experimental really means. As the manufacturer, I can assign whatever serial and model that I care to.
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Old 04-21-2022, 02:47 PM
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So if I build a velocity and register it as model RV-9A, I can get a lower rate? Sounds line the insurance companies are pretty ignorant of what the model number on an experimental really means. As the manufacturer, I can assign whatever serial and model that I care to.
While you can assign any model you want, In your case, if you had a claim, it probably would not be paid.
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Old 04-21-2022, 03:46 PM
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So I don't know **** about the inner workings of insurance companies, but it seems to me there are at least two cases here: 1) someone is trying to hide the true nature of the aircraft by using a different model name (e.g., a Velocity registered as an RV-9A), and if you got coverage from an insurance company, I suspect it'd be via fraud (that is, a crime); 2) someone just wants to use a clever name for their plane, rather than the kit model designation, in which case I would think any insurance company worth their salt would ask a few questions, determine that it's really a "standard" kit, and go ahead and write the policy (they're in the business of writing policies and making money, after all).

Wasn't there some guy who registered his kit with model name "Air Force One" a while back, and flew it around enjoying messing with ATC?
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Old 04-21-2022, 04:28 PM
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So I don't know **** about the inner workings of insurance companies, but it seems to me there are at least two cases here: 1) someone is trying to hide the true nature of the aircraft by using a different model name (e.g., a Velocity registered as an RV-9A), and if you got coverage from an insurance company, I suspect it'd be via fraud (that is, a crime); 2) someone just wants to use a clever name for their plane, rather than the kit model designation, in which case I would think any insurance company worth their salt would ask a few questions, determine that it's really a "standard" kit, and go ahead and write the policy (they're in the business of writing policies and making money, after all).
Wasn't there some guy who registered his kit with model name "Air Force One" a while back, and flew it around enjoying messing with ATC?
Yep! And I agree with what you said. That's why I said that the insurance co. would probably pay off because of "fraud".
I registered my RV-6 as an "A&M 6" because it was the 6th aircraft built by Mel & Ann, but the insurance co. also placed "RV-6" in parentheses after the "A&M-6".
BTW, the A&M also relates to where I went to school.
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Old 04-21-2022, 05:47 PM
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So I don't know **** about the inner workings of insurance companies, but it seems to me there are at least two cases here: 1) someone is trying to hide the true nature of the aircraft by using a different model name (e.g., a Velocity registered as an RV-9A), and if you got coverage from an insurance company, I suspect it'd be via fraud (that is, a crime); 2) someone just wants to use a clever name for their plane, rather than the kit model designation, in which case I would think any insurance company worth their salt would ask a few questions, determine that it's really a "standard" kit, and go ahead and write the policy (they're in the business of writing policies and making money, after all).

Wasn't there some guy who registered his kit with model name "Air Force One" a while back, and flew it around enjoying messing with ATC?
I'm a relatively new pilot trying to buy his first aircraft so they may take a different view of me than more experienced pilots. But basically I spoke to an insurance broker and maybe avemco. I don't remember exactly, it was a while ago. They both could not get quotes for me. But they had quoted me for other RV-6A's. <shrug>
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