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Old 07-03-2007, 01:50 AM
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Originally Posted by painless
Any days to avoid flying in if it is your first time? I have heard that the Sunday before the show starts can get a bit hairy.
Jeff, can't wait to see it with paint on it.

Yes, Sunday is THE busy day for arrivals. Most of the horror stories you have heard (for the past few years anyway) were from Sunday arrivals. Being as close as you are, you could make it by early Sunday (before 10AM or so) or wait until Monday, but I'd avoid Sunday after 10AM if you have a choice.

Of course, this is Wisconsin, so it could snow on Sunday and screw it all up.
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Old 07-03-2007, 07:57 AM
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Default no pilot left behind

Tip: Keep your eyes open for the pilot who did not read the Notam. The controllers don't send him away to read it and will try to fit him in, adding to the excitement of the moment.

No BBQ for me this year,
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Old 07-03-2007, 09:07 AM
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Default REALLY, no big deal!!!!

Every year our parade of RVs head to OSH from NM, TX and KS and we stay at a small town 25 miles West of the airshow. Every morning we get up and get our planes ready and fly to OSH, then that evening fly back to our strip 25 miles out West. For us part of the fun of Airventure is flying in and out of OSH and NOT DEALING WITH THE AUTO TRAFFIC! Yuck! The biggest challenge or threat is the initial convergance at RIPON where one needs to be really head-on-a-swivel and checking in all directions-one reason why our 'formation' breaks up into a single file line prior to this point so all eyes are looking around and providing mutal support rather than all but two locked on 'lead'.

Long story short, MOST pilots are well aware of the conflicts of arrival, approach speeds and altitudes and well versed on published procedures. Think about it, there are over 12,000 planes on the ground at OSH, pretty good work overall! There will always be that one or two or twenty that get all the press for being dorks but by and large, really professional and, well, easy, and VERY FUN!

So get out there, be alert but don't fret! I've escorted numerous 'OSH virgins' since my first EAA Fly In back in 1984, and everyone has had a blast so....go for it! And see you in the RV parking area!
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Old 07-03-2007, 10:57 AM
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Thanks for all the advice/encouragement folks. 10 years ago I stepped up to the Van's booth at OSH and ordered my empenage. My flying in this year is sort of a homecoming. I am sure I will get a bit emotional once the wheels are on the ground. At least for a second until Point starts waving his arms at me!!

Fly safe and I'm buying the first round!
Jeff Orear
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Old 07-03-2007, 11:21 AM
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I would like to throw my 2cents worth in here. It is very important to have all notams on board, with ALL freqs on a seperate page, in memory in the radio if available.

Slow flight is a must to practice, I remember going into Arlington wa. one year and the plane ahead of me was told to land at the first intersection, yes they do that, and I was to land on the numbers. Well as I got down to the numbers the plane in front of me landed on the numbers, I moved over to the right and landed right next to him. So much for people listening. Thing is, not only do you need to be able to fly slow flight at TPA but be able to move over in the flair or close to it without thinking about it.

How do you do this, simple, if your airport lets you, get cleared for the option and hold off on the runway at just above stall and run the center line, when you have that down, start going from left to right on the runway in this same configuration. I do this quit well with the kitfox and I can keep the wings level to boot. Lots of rudder and whatever it takes with the ailerons. This gets a little more tricky when you have a cross, but still can be done. Once you get the slow flights down, than airshow arrivals are much less of a stress, and turn into fun.
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Old 07-11-2010, 07:26 PM
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Default spot landings too

Maybe practice your spot landings too... aiming 1/2 way down a 6,000' runway looks different for sure.

As an example, a friend of mine told me he was landing on a 9,000 foot runway with an airliner holding #1 for takeoff. His destination was at the far end of the runway and he tried to land long to expedite, but he only ended up landing about 1,000' long and then had another mile to taxi. He said his brain just would not let him do know, you practice something a 1,000 times and that's what you'll do. Isn't the saying, practice doesn't make perfect, practice makes permanent.

Anyway, just a little more food for thought.

Fly safe!

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Old 07-12-2010, 08:56 AM
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One of the best things you can do is find a busy class D or Class C and go practice. Ask them to throw everything at you. My final practice for the big arrival was over an hour of flying at Savannah at "rush" hour. I had holds, go arounds, left and right traffic patterns and also had the luck of having the runway headings oriented exactly like Osh. Practice everything. Even if it's not your first time flyiing in it may be the person in front of you first time in and he might not do it right and can leave you in a very bad position. Practice flying as fast you can and slowing down to pattern speed as fast as possible. I didn't read about that anywhere beforehand but that was the position I was put in. I arrived at Fisk going as fast as I could go and was asked to maintain that speed until 2 miles from the runway. I was going 184 knots at the time. Much of the advice given above is spot on. Practice everything and expect the unexpected.
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Old 07-12-2010, 09:36 AM
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Default OSHKOSH arrival and departure videos...

For those of you flying in for the first time and would like to see and hear what it was like on my second trip flying my RV-9A in 2006, I have videos posted online for you via this URL:

This is real time video with sound from the radio and the conversation on my intercom with the pilot in the right seat of my RV-9A. This includes initial approach and then uninterrupted video from Ripon to Fisk to Landing and all taxi operations up to engine stop in the home-built camping area. You can also see the departure and more.

Be sure you have your NOTAM in the cabin ready to show to any flagman on departure. When I departed on my 2005 trip (my first with my airplane), one guy held up his copy of the NOTAM and did not clear me to proceed until I held up my copy of the NOTAM. That year my departure was on 36L with the turn to the southeast to leave the Class D airspace before climbing over Lake Winnebago for my northbound departure to Marquette, Michigan and Lake Superior.

Weather permitting, this year I am going with my oldest son who is a pilot also. It will be his first trip to Oshkosh ever. I have to fly from Chattanooga to Texas on Friday going to Georgetown, Texas to spend a night with my son and his family. We will have an early morning departure for Oshkosh to avoid any scattered thunder storms (like in Florida where I learned to fly).

I have already put several possible alternate routes into my GPS 296. I hope we can get good weather in St. Louis for a flyby of the Arch inside the KCPS class D airspace. I called a controller in the tower there and he said to come up the river and call before reaching his airspace. I have also looked at my digital maps to confirm a suitable flight path to insure proper clearance laterally from the Arch and above local terrain. I also looked at Google Earth to get the bird's eye view of this area since it will be my first time in this region.

I have also put the Field of Dreams in my waypoints over at Dyersburg, Iowa. If we need to divert west going northward, I can do some aerial photography there and over the lock and dam on the Mississippi River at Dubuque, Iowa. The other possibility is to fly that route on the departure from Oshkosh. There are some good fuel prices in Iowa.

The plan via any intermediate route is for an arrival on Saturday afternoon, hopefully not having any trouble with the scheduled mass arrivals on Saturday. We will be in home-built camping again.
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Old 07-12-2010, 10:57 AM
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I found a C150 to tuck in behind at 8mi. inbound into our class D yesterday. 1/2 mi spacing in trail dragging it all the way home. I guess he had it firewalled at 75kts. Good practice. Complete with rising oil temps and everything. "Georgetown tower, 22C will follow the Cessna that just called 8mi SE, in sight." Long pause, "Uh, roger, 22C follow the Cessna report left downwind runway 18."
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Old 07-12-2010, 11:14 AM
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The EAA put on a webinar last week titled "First Timer's Guide to OSH". It's a good review even for us veterans.
Here's the link:
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