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Old 08-21-2018, 03:23 PM
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...I checked a bunch of C712 panel pictures with google, and some of the simulators had the flap switch on the left of the power controls, possibly to save space, but all the airplanes had the flap switch on the right...
Did you intend C172??
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Old 08-22-2018, 11:02 AM
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In the same way that it doesn't make sense to build a custom motorcycle and change swap the controls around and how they operate, it doesn't make sense to "innovate" on switch location -- someday, somebody is going to fly a non-standard airplane and be confused and maybe use the wrong switch, or somebody who is used to this airplane will fly a different airpane and maybe use the wrong switch.

Flaps go on the right of the power controls, or in the center, according to FAR23.777:
(f) Wing flap and auxiliary lift device controls must be located?
(1) Centrally, or to the right of the pedestal or powerplant throttle control centerline;
Interesting. Most bonanzas have a flap on the left, gear on the right. Of course, a lot of inadvertent gear ups have happened because of this. Maybe they are certified under the CAR rules but pretty sure there's FAR 23 bonanzas with the flap on the left.

For what it's worth, I'd prefer everything to be standard too.
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Old 08-29-2018, 07:53 AM
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Updated my blog based on all the great feedback thus far. Looking forward to continuing to refine and have now engaged UpNorthAviation to help finalize the layout. Love to hear feedback on the panel. I also am installing my gear switch just to the left of the throttle. I think it?ll be best there.

Here?s a recent photo arriving into Oshkosh.






Lol. Ok, it?s not a retract, but it sure looks cool. Hahahaha.
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Old 08-29-2018, 08:43 AM
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A consideration is putting the carb heat where the alternate air knob is. In a go around situation you could just stick you thumb out and hit throttle and carb heat. Of course you can use the palm of your hand and fingers extended and probably get the throttle, mixture, and carb heat with one motion the way you have it now. You may never use the alternate air.
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I'm not sure if you have considered the support structure that is required behind the panel. The radio stack requires some angle pieces to mount those racks. I'm not sure if you have allowed for those pieces in your layout. It doesn't seem like you have. If you look at the other pics folks have posted you see a gap between the radio stack and the adjacent units.
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Yeah, the exact spacing I?m going to let UpNorth manage as he does the official design plan in CAD. I suspect all of my items will move slightly, a another example being the fuses. Thanks!


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I'm not sure if you have considered the support structure that is required behind the panel. The radio stack requires some angle pieces to mount those racks. I'm not sure if you have allowed for those pieces in your layout. It doesn't seem like you have. If you look at the other pics folks have posted you see a gap between the radio stack and the adjacent units.
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On RVs, carb heat and alternate are the same thing. You only need one knob, and the preferred location is to the left of the throttle.

You might want to check your circuit breaker spacing. They take up space behind the panel and the CBs I'm familiar with probably wouldn't fit in the space you've allocated. And in the same way that it makes sense to group and outline switches, do that for circuit breakers.

I'm not familiar with how Dynon systems do updates, but on my plane, I wish I had a way to power up just the avionics having database updated rather than running the battery down with everything on or without pulling a bunch of circuit breakers.

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Old 08-30-2018, 08:07 AM
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On RVs, carb heat and alternate are the same thing.
Alternate Air (Filtered Airbox Bypass) is not the same thing as carb heat. Filtered Airbox Bypass is a separate control for use in case of intake filter blockage. https://www.vansaircraft.com/pdf/Fab-sb_05.pdf

It doesn't take a lot of snow to clog the FAB pleats and starve the engine of induction air. I know of two RV fatalities and a forced landing resulting from this.

It is a great idea to install the FAB Bypass that Van's provides (in addition to the carb heat control).
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Old 08-30-2018, 10:11 AM
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Thanks, I learned something new! Now I?ve got some reading to do.
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Here’s a recent photo arriving into Oshkosh.

Lol. Ok, it’s not a retract, but it sure looks cool. Hahahaha.
I can't believe you would leave those "GodAwfull" steps hanging out in the breeze! Gotta cost you at least 0.2 kts.
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