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Old 08-28-2020, 02:55 PM
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I keep wondering how much of a safety issue is it to take bear spray and other compressed gasses such as stove cartridges in our airplanes.

It seems to me the pressure difference between 0 and 14,000 feet would be negligible compared to the pressure in a compressed gas cylinder, making the likelihood of a rupture very low.

On the other hand if a can of bear spray ever were to blow or go off inside the plane, that would pretty much the end of things.

I was paranoid enough about this that when I returned from a trip to the Tietons I left a $50 can of bear spray back at the hotel. On the other hand I've carted these Bluet camp stove cartridges all over the place.

I suppose an ammo box might be one answer... thoughts? Is anyone else airplane camping worrying about this?
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Old 08-28-2020, 03:59 PM
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I pretty routinely take both up to 10-13k while hiking. However, after having been around bear spray that was discharged I can't even imagine inside an airplane.... I think your right, it would quite possibly be the end.

Safe? I'm betting so.

A risk I'm going to take? Probably not. Unless someone has an awesome containment idea.
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Old 08-28-2020, 04:36 PM
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Maybe a box vented overboard similar to what (I think) Boeing did with the 787 batteries after the fire incidents?
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Add potato chip bags to the list. We live at 7500'. We make trips down to Texas twice a year. Auto so far but someday the bird. Potato chip bags explode when they go up! Makes quite a mess.
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Old 08-28-2020, 04:51 PM
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Add potato chip bags to the list. We live at 7500'. We make trips down to Texas twice a year. Auto so far but someday the bird. Potato chip bags explode when they go up! Makes quite a mess.
Ah, yes they do. We keep our lunch chips in a "containment vessel". From experience on those long XC trips, we climb until we reach Top Of Climb, which is indicated by the strong smell of french onion sun chips! Or maybe baked cheetos if we've planned to throw all caution to the wind.

Wait, did someone say bear spray!? I can't imagine.
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Wingtips can be easily modified with a door and a storage locker for containing things like this.
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I'm thinking about just fabricating a small pod that can be bolted in at a tie-down point. Better than duct-taping it to a gear leg which was my first thought!

Also trying to answer my own question, I've been looking through the accident databases and I can't come up with anything like this ever happening, at least on record.
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There was a helicopter in Canada several years back that had a canister of bear spray discharge in flight, and all were lost. I don't believe it exploded because of pressure, but don't remember for sure. I would be extremely cautious about taking bear spray to altitude unless it was outside the cockpit - doesn't take much to incapacitate a pilot.

I have thought that if I really needed to carry it, I would try to stow it in the outboard inspection bay of a wing or in the wheel pants somehow.
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When I carry bear spray, I store it in a dedicated Pelican Case. Never tested it, but the case has an o-ring seal, which should be better than nothing.
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There was a helicopter in Canada several years back that had a canister of bear spray discharge in flight, and all were lost.
Well. I guess I'm not being overly paranoid after all, then.

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I have thought that if I really needed to carry it, I would try to stow it in the outboard inspection bay of a wing or in the wheel pants somehow
I've considered the wingtip or inspection hole, but the wing isn't really isolated from the cockpit. Without a stick boot there's a lot of air that wants to blow in there via the wing root, and even with them there's still some coming in (especially noticeable in the wintertime). I fabricated some nylon fabric boots where the aileron push-rods come through for just that reason (cold air that is, I wasn't thinking about bear spray at the time!)
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