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07-18-2013, 08:13 PM
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The air molecules and I can 
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Axel
RV-4 fastback thread and Pics
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The information that I post is just that; information and my own personal experiences. You need to weigh out the pros and cons and make up your own mind/decisions. The pictures posted may not show the final stage or configuration. Build at your own risk. Further more, these are my opinions and not those of Van's Aircraft.
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07-18-2013, 08:55 PM
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The air molecules and I can 
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"The air has fingers, not eyes."
You might be surprised how asymetrical some aircraft actually are when you look closely. I've measured Nationals-winning sailplanes with templates that show that the right and left wings look like their airfoils came from two completely different gliders. Yet they go like stink and fly straight as arrows.
Thanks, Bob K.
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07-19-2013, 08:26 AM
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Flow viz
Axel-
Good timing on this subject. I am finishing up my Phase I and just put my pants and gear fairings on a couple days ago. Per the manual, I aligned the fairings by string method, no weight on gear. Nevertheless, during flight I was definitely getting some roll/yaw forces (although this could have been due also to pant misalignment).
I waited to do the top/bottom intersection fairings, since I figured doing so would preclude me from adjusting the gear fairings based on flight tests. I'm glad I did so. After the first flight with fairings, I decided to do a flow viz experiment. I smeared engine oil along the leading edge of both fairings, then doped it with talcum powder, and went out and flew at cruise speed for an hour. When I returned, I had a very nice visual flow pattern that showed both fairings to be misaligned. Adjusted the fairings (TLAR method), redid the flow viz, and now the flow is straight and roll/yaw forces much reduced (there's not much I can do about wheel pant alignment at this point). I'm hoping the addition of the intersection fairings doesn't mess things back up again!
I'll post pics and a more detailed explanation on a dedicated thread in a couple of weeks when I have a bit more time. In any event, you may want to consider waiting to do the intersection fairings until once you've had a chance to fly the plane.
Eric
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07-19-2013, 08:41 AM
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Ah, the details...
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Originally Posted by Stewie
Axel-
Good timing on this subject. I am finishing up my Phase I and just put my pants and gear fairings on a couple days ago. Per the manual, I aligned the fairings by string method, no weight on gear. Nevertheless, during flight I was definitely getting some roll/yaw forces (although this could have been due also to pant misalignment).
I waited to do the top/bottom intersection fairings, since I figured doing so would preclude me from adjusting the gear fairings based on flight tests. I'm glad I did so. After the first flight with fairings, I decided to do a flow viz experiment. I smeared engine oil along the leading edge of both fairings, then doped it with talcum powder, and went out and flew at cruise speed for an hour. When I returned, I had a very nice visual flow pattern that showed both fairings to be misaligned. Adjusted the fairings (TLAR method), redid the flow viz, and now the flow is straight and roll/yaw forces much reduced (there's not much I can do about wheel pant alignment at this point). I'm hoping the addition of the intersection fairings doesn't mess things back up again!
I'll post pics and a more detailed explanation on a dedicated thread in a couple of weeks when I have a bit more time. In any event, you may want to consider waiting to do the intersection fairings until once you've had a chance to fly the plane.
Eric
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Excellent subject. I will add however that over time less importance will be spent toward alignment and appearance and more on how to keep them attached and in one piece.
I found in 2000 flying hours on my RV4 and HR2 "life stresses" on them challenged structural integrity (especially on rough turf or gravel) or just the landing gear movement itself. My point? Leave some wiggle room around the base of the fairing (where the leg fairing attaches) and put some MhWh tape around them where movement occurs. Use large area washers on all holes and thread lock as the screws loosen easily. Put Silicon film on the back side of the fairing where it chafes any painted surface.
Even with all of the above they take a beating. Be ready with HySol...
V/R
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07-19-2013, 11:53 AM
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Great idea!
Great idea Smokey! I'm about to make my intersection fairings, I like the idea of laying up over a relief and leaving a bit of wiggle room, then using tape to fill the gap/seal the gap.
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07-19-2013, 12:41 PM
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Thanks for the info all. Will make some changes and repost.
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RV-4 fastback thread and Pics
Instagram @ LetMeFlyIt
VAF 2022 paid VAF 704
The information that I post is just that; information and my own personal experiences. You need to weigh out the pros and cons and make up your own mind/decisions. The pictures posted may not show the final stage or configuration. Build at your own risk. Further more, these are my opinions and not those of Van's Aircraft.
Last edited by AX-O : 07-24-2013 at 01:20 PM.
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07-19-2013, 03:00 PM
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Axel
RV-4 fastback thread and Pics
Instagram @ LetMeFlyIt
VAF 2022 paid VAF 704
The information that I post is just that; information and my own personal experiences. You need to weigh out the pros and cons and make up your own mind/decisions. The pictures posted may not show the final stage or configuration. Build at your own risk. Further more, these are my opinions and not those of Van's Aircraft.
Last edited by AX-O : 07-24-2013 at 01:21 PM.
Reason: Added links
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08-01-2013, 06:23 PM
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Bulkhead
Would you happen to have the coordinates for your new f-407?
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08-10-2013, 02:43 PM
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Axel
RV-4 fastback thread and Pics
Instagram @ LetMeFlyIt
VAF 2022 paid VAF 704
The information that I post is just that; information and my own personal experiences. You need to weigh out the pros and cons and make up your own mind/decisions. The pictures posted may not show the final stage or configuration. Build at your own risk. Further more, these are my opinions and not those of Van's Aircraft.
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08-10-2013, 02:56 PM
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Axel
RV-4 fastback thread and Pics
Instagram @ LetMeFlyIt
VAF 2022 paid VAF 704
The information that I post is just that; information and my own personal experiences. You need to weigh out the pros and cons and make up your own mind/decisions. The pictures posted may not show the final stage or configuration. Build at your own risk. Further more, these are my opinions and not those of Van's Aircraft.
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